FORUM CLOSING ON 14th JANUARY

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

New Team - League Entry

Manse · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

Has Sheba upset the Crown House?

PoolQueen · Ultimate Poster (1-0 up in a best of 7)

Nothing personal but it's the Abingdon & District pool league which has always been Abingdon and the surrounding villages. Let one or two Oxford teams enter and they'll all want to enter. There's enough Oxford leagues so why infringe on ours?

Twitcher · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

The oxford thursday night league has teams from abingdon, so why shouldn't oxford teams be allowed to enter the abingdon league?

Barney · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

Because there is an Oxford Sunday Pool League. I don't think there is an Abingdon Thursday League.

Manse · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

Twitcher wrote:

The oxford thursday night league has teams from abingdon, so why shouldn't oxford teams be allowed to enter the abingdon league?

Good point Tom and the Oracle won the last Oxford Thursday Summer League - Not a bad team that lot.

Twitcher · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

Let one or two Oxford teams enter and they'll all want to enter

Slight hyberbole hazel, even if the abingdon league had one oxford team it only means that you have to travel to the crown house once a season, hardly a major inconvenience! Not worried about the bus fare are you Hazel? biggrin

PoolQueen · Ultimate Poster (1-0 up in a best of 7)

I just think if you start letting the Oxford teams play in the Abingdon league the Abingdon teams will start folding. Oxford already has a Sunday league so why don't they play in that.

Twitcher · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

Why would teams start to fold? As i already pointed out its ONE game in an entire season that u would have to travel to oxford. Also, as ming already pointed out its just as far to travel to some of your current matches so i fail to see why teams would start pulling out if the crown house played in the abingdon league

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

PoolQueen wrote:
Let one or two Oxford teams enter and they'll all want to enter. There's enough Oxford leagues so why infringe on ours?

Interestingly, you've no problem with players coming over from Oxford to play in your team but don't want a pub/club entering
Perhaps you're just worried that your team will be pushed down the pecking order biggrin

Don't know why you think they'll be infringing on "us". The more teams that want to enter the better as far as I'm concerned.

As has been said you'll only have to travel to Oxford once or twice a season whilst they have to travel every other week. Nor can the distance be an issue as we've had teams as far away as Harwell in the past which is probably futher away than Oxford from Abingdon

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

PoolQueen wrote:
I just think if you start letting the Oxford teams play in the Abingdon league the Abingdon teams will start folding. Oxford already has a Sunday league so why don't they play in that.

Hazel, try to keep off the Prozac... Teams may fold but that's likely to be because the actual pub closes. no one minded when they have to go to Kennington or when the had to go to Didcot or Harwell and I'm sure that the teams in Section Two (this season) would rather have another team to play rather than the 2 Byes they have at present.

All teams will receive an email within the next couple of days asking about the Crown House and I will decide based on the YES/NO's i receive back and if another Oxford team expresses an interest we'll do the same for them.

DORIS · Occasional Poster (Racking up the balls)

The only reason why Crown House Club want to move to the Abingdon league is because they cant get close to winning the Oxford one with Rose Hill Club running away with it and now Rileys Red Devils beating them for second spot as well.

Ay Malc???? confuse

just my opinion that's all biggrin

the apprentice · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

No way. Thats horse****.
You only want to enter the Abingdon League because you have a chance of winning something.
So much for you "Oxford lot" saying "Oh yeah the Abingdon league is a crap standard blah blah blah..."
If you REALLY want to play in the Abingdon League, come and join an Abingdon pub/club ....

And McIlroy, seriously....?! "It takes just as far to get to Wootton as it does Cowley Road?!?! Really?!?!?! Uhh....no."

LADY_1980 · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

Does Kevin's message say anywhere that it is the team that play in the Oxford League that would like to enter the Abingdon League??

We were asking for someone else that already plays in the Abingdon League and were considering changing venues, it was just an enquiry as to whether anyone thought that it was too far to travel or not, Kevin said he would see and that is what he was doing by opening this thread. There is no need to start back biting about it.

Barney · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

We might as well just merge the two leagues and have one bigger Sunday League.

PoolQueen · Ultimate Poster (1-0 up in a best of 7)

Barney wrote:

We might as well just merge the two leagues and have one bigger Sunday League.

If that happened I can see a lot of the players who have played in the Abingdon league for years not wanting to play, as they just like a few pints and a friendly game of pool. Oxford leagues are much more serious and if we let one team play then next season could be 4/5, season after that 8/10 which means the Oxford Sunday league is losing teams and so is Abingdon league.

PoolQueen · Ultimate Poster (1-0 up in a best of 7)

And for the record most of the older Abingdon players don't post on here so it's a pointless thread. If it went to the Abingdon league AGM I bet it wouldn't get voted in.

Barney · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

PoolQueen wrote:
Oxford leagues are much more serious.....

Only Malcolm. The rest of us aren't all that bothered.

Twitcher · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

It's not a pointless thread at all, kevs just trying to gauge opinion and has already said that he will contact all team captains, so it's not like he's only using this thread to make the decision but was just making people aware of the situation

bigbossman · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

MING wrote:

The Crown House Club (Oxford) has expressed an interest in joining the Abingdon League and I would like you're views on their participation.

Whilst the club is in Oxford, we do have teams spread around the district; Kennington, Wootton & Sutton Courtenay which take as about as long to travel to as Cowley Road, Oxford.

Potentially, an 'A' team would be in Section One and if a 'B' team also enters they'd be in Section Two

-- Edited by MING on Tuesday 23rd of February 2010 03:11:18 PM

Kev all these places offer plenty of parking and also fall into the 6 mile of Abingdon city centre, Which i belive is what is set out, and for you to say it takes the same time to get to wootton and kennington you are talking out your arse. It would also have been nice if you had told me and beffy ( Oh i forgot you and you only make the rules so whats the piont of me and beffy clearly not needed i will be phoning all the players i know to knock this back you let one in they all will come in and it would spoil our league, If they want too play then pick a puib or club in our area to play from plenty out there EG Bystander second team at tandem Boundry house need i go on.

PoolQueen · Ultimate Poster (1-0 up in a best of 7)

Twitcher wrote:

It's not a pointless thread at all, kevs just trying to gauge opinion and has already said that he will contact all team captains, so it's not like he's only using this thread to make the decision but was just making people aware of the situation

Of course it is, the majority of players who post in here play in the Oxford leagues, there's not many Abingdon league players post on here.

PoolQueen · Ultimate Poster (1-0 up in a best of 7)

bigbossman wrote:
you let one in they all will come in and it would spoil our league

My point exactly Tim.

Twitcher · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

The thread seems to have got enough replies already to warrant starting it! Surely any palce in which an open debate can take place is a good thing, even if it's between a small number

PoolQueen · Ultimate Poster (1-0 up in a best of 7)

Twitcher wrote:

The thread seems to have got enough replies already to warrant starting it! Surely any palce in which an open debate can take place is a good thing, even if it's between a small number

It doesn't bother me personally as I'd rather play against better players, but I'm trying to speak for what I know would be the majority of our league players. I wish we could play World Rules as most of the major pool events are played to these but that will never happen with the blinkered players playing BB.

PoolQueen · Ultimate Poster (1-0 up in a best of 7)

Btw I prefer BB rules but there's not much else after league, county. World Rules has a much better organisation with loads of bigger events but that'll never change in Abingdon/Oxford.

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Sadly it's clear that some people on here wasted their time at school or are just being pedantic for the sake of it. so let me enlighten you.

1; try reading my post; the words "have expressed an interest" are used, not "have sent in an Entry Form and I have decided to allow the CHC into the league".

2; "My decision" meant that once opinions had been taken I would decide what course of action to take i.e EGM, AGM etc where the members of the league would formally decide. There's no requirement to do anything official at this stage.

3; my post about the spread of the pubs/clubs were to indicate that in some instances team would travel 9 or 10 miles to another venue, Kennington to Steventon for instance is around 11-12 miles, Wootton to Berinsfield is around 8-9 miles. The CHC to the centre of Abingdon is approx 7 miles, so my point is that it would take Wootton's teams just as long to travel to Berinfield. Steventon or Sutton Courtenay as it would for a centrally based team to travel to Oxford

4; Tim try reading the Rules before spouting off on here, there's not and, to my knowledge, never been a 6 mile limit. I played for 2 teams in Didcot (9-10 miles), played in Harwell (7-8 miles), East Hanney (6-7 miles), Wantage (10 miles) and, I believe there was a team from Benson at one time (10 miles). So based on a. lets say a 9 mile catchment radius, most of Oxford are no further away than Didcot. Presummably you'd bitch about the Wheatsheaf rejoining the league? PARKING, nice one that, is that a new rule too? Incidentally, Tesco provides a nice carpark and I can fully recommend the KFC and Kebab Kid for a homeward snack.

5; Hazel, I'd put money on most people disageeing with you just for the sake of it and how is it you always come back to this WR vs BB bull****, get over it woman...

6; as has been pointed out, but i'll say it again for the uneducated ones; I will be sending out an email to all those who get league update emails (approx 70) to gauge opinion on if/how to proceed. The email will contain a balanced view not one blinkered by self interest/narrow mindedness. So contary to your idiotic accusations, opinions are being saut from more people than would normally turn up for a AGM

Finally, all pool leagues need to evolve and move with the times. Over the years different teams have sprung up, folded or merged into new teams for various reasons and with pubs/clubs closing this could happen more frequently. We currenty have 26 teams, though I fully expect 1 of those to fold this season. if so that would leave us with 25 which then results in 2 Sections having 2 Byes which is hardly desirable for both the team or the pub. Ideally, the closer to 30 teams we get the better. If the league limits itself to a small catchment area then the league may eventually fold as the number of pubs dwindle or players who run teams move/lose interest/retire.

To suggest that all Oxford teams would want to to enter or league and spoil it because they'd be serious is utter tripe. Firstly; there's no automatic right to enter and secondly; Apart from about 3 teams, they all enjoy a pint and a bit of banter. If a player/team wants a £13-14 trophy that badly they could always buy it for their mantlepeice and save on the travelling costs. I would say that most teams in Oxford are no better than the top Abingdon teams so have no guarentee of winning anything. No doubt if Malc's Rose Hill team wanted to dominate our league instead of the Oxford one they'd do so, but seeing as we're not dishing out thousands of pounds in prize money I think we're quite safe.

-- Edited by MING on Wednesday 24th of February 2010 03:00:36 PM

DocJ · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

I, for one, wouldn't have a problem with a team from the Crown House entering the Abingdon League. Surely, as Kev says, the more the merrier so to speak...... A bit more variety and competition can only be a good thing.....well, in my opinion anyway. Yes, the travelling may be an issue but it's not going to cause THAT much extra hassle, is it?

Also, I don't think one one or two people on here can say that they speak for the 'majority' of Abingdon League players. Besides, it will be decided democratically, so if the idea really doesn't appeal to them, it won't happen i'm sure..........

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Simon Rowe writes:
Avin playd in our league virtuly from day 1 in reply 2 Tims coment bout neva hearin of 6 miles quote me on this 6 mile radius of grapes as crow flies this is wher our lege originatd from shears wantage ntrd lege 1nc + no monin then a difrent venu anuva team anuva nite of pool + drinkin insted of a by + new faces + competion bring on crown house club + any uvas that want 2 join it will make our lege biga + beta + more revnu 4 the lege trofis etc i say welcum abord put that on forum in responc from me

If someone could translate...

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

PoolQueen wrote:
Oxford leagues are much more serious

Remind me of who and what team had a row about deliberate fouls etc when playing the Bowyers?

Pots & Kettle time me thinks...

Luckylewis · Even if you beat me I’m STILL THE BEST ;-)

MING wrote:
To suggest that all Oxford teams would want to to enter or league and spoil it because they'd be serious is utter tripe. Firstly; there's no automatic right to enter and secondly; Apart from about 3 teams, they all enjoy a pint and a bit of banter. If a player/team wants a £13-14 trophy that badly they could always buy it for their mantlepeice and save on the travelling costs. I would say that most teams in Oxford are no better than the top Abingdon teams so have no guarentee of winning anything. No doubt if Malc's Rose Hill team wanted to dominate our league instead of the Oxford one they'd do so, but seeing as we're not dishing out thousands of pounds in prize money I think we're quite safe.