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Milhouse · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

County Trials & season 2009/10

Beefy · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

Word gets about.

John is the best to confirm this but myunderstanding is that the B and C's are seperate with top 3 going from the B's and top 1 from the C's who will have 5 teams in their group.

And I heard a rumour also that if the spaces permit the 4th B will play off against the 2nd C but I am not so sure about this part.

Are you coming up on Sunday then ?

The Chin · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

I was just wondering.......... Now that your A Team are THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS (and well done to all involved by the way!!)

Will they all be guaranteed a starting place in the A Team for the start of the season?

Surely there is no justification in changing a National Winning Line-up??!!

-- Edited by The Chin at 17:45, 2009-03-12

The Pool Shark · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

The Chin wrote:

I was just wondering.......... Now that your A Team are THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS (and well done to all involved by the way!!)

Will they all be guaranteed a starting place in the A Team for the start of the season?

Surely there is no justification in changing a National Winning Line-up??!!

Some of us aren't even guaranteed a place in the squad next year. Admittedly I was only involved in 2 of the 7 matches at the finals, but I'll be rolling down to the trials on Sunday again... hmm

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

The Chin wrote:
I was just wondering.......... Now that your A Team are THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS (and well done to all involved by the way!!)

Will they all be guaranteed a starting place in the A Team for the start of the season?

Surely there is no justification in changing a National Winning Line-up??!!

I suppose that depends on who turns up for trials, no point resting on our laurels. Somehow i think Alex Ferguson will strengthen his team for next year even if they win everything this season.

As for the Seniors; it's a requirement to be alive to play -WARNING- any funny comments will see me run you over with my motobility scooter

nature boy colzy · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

The Pool Shark wrote:

Some of us aren't even guaranteed a place in the squad next year. Admittedly I was only involved in 2 of the 7 matches at the finals, but I'll be rolling down to the trials on Sunday again...

john was sayin at selsey that the a team that won it will all be retained

GOD · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

tis true. The players who didn't make retention will be wildcarded for next season. That doesn't mean to say all of them will start in the 'A' Team.

The Pool Shark · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

GOD wrote:

tis true. The players who didn't make retention will be wildcarded for next season. That doesn't mean to say all of them will start in the 'A' Team.

Splendid. I was told by JFK last night.

hulio · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

GOD wrote:

tis true. The players who didn't make retention will be wildcarded for next season. That doesn't mean to say all of them will start in the 'A' Team.

Is their any point in the trials then?

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

hulio wrote:
Is their any point in the trials then?

YES, seeing as there's probably 15-20 places available

Barney · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

I think from the B's John Street, Ben Scott, Nick Mansell and myself are retained so most B team places are up for grabs as are the C team's.

hulio · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

GOD wrote:

tis true. The players who didn't make retention will be wildcarded for next season. That doesn't mean to say all of them will start in the 'A' Team.

Explain in more detail why these players are being retained because they won the final does not mean they will play well in the forthcoming matches does it .

I thought their were rules in place to stop this crap happening again.

Surely lessons should of been learnt last time.

The Pool Shark · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

Playing well at the trials doesn't mean you'll play well in the forthcoming matches either though, does it?

Beefy · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

hulio wrote:

I thought their were rules in place to stop this crap happening again.

Surely lessons should of been learnt last time.

There are rules and the lesson of post trial wildcards has been learnt hence the reason why wildcards are done pre trials now.

Its a SQUAD not a team....... players play where they are asked to play not where they want to play

GOD · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

It's very simple Jules. The idea was put to the committee to make sure that the full team who participated in the greatest achievement ever to be made by any oxfordshire pool team, were all available for selection next season.

The committee took a vote. The upshot of which was that these players would be wildcarded in to the squad for next year.

We have learned from the mistakes made in previous years. We have not wildcarded them after trials! Which is where all previous problems have arisen. These problems had arisen due to players not making it through trials and then being wildcarded.

Let's be clear, this 'crap' has never happened before. I don't recall there being another occasion when OCPF has won the national county championships.

If you feel so strongly Jules, why not come to the AGM on Sunday. 9.30am at Rileys!

hulio · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

The Pool Shark wrote:

Playing well at the trials doesn't mean you'll play well in the forthcoming matches either though, does it?

This is true comment even the uneducated on here could work that out its not rocket science is it.

Muppet

The Pool Shark · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

Charming! You let a bloke beat you 2-1 coz you feel sorry for him and his monday night league record, you buy him 2 pints to congratulate him, and then he goes and calls you a muppet the very next day! wink

hulio · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

GOD wrote:

It's very simple Jules. The idea was put to the committee to make sure that the full team who participated in the greatest achievement ever to be made by any oxfordshire pool team, were all available for selection next season.

The committee took a vote. The upshot of which was that these players would be wildcarded in to the squad for next year.

We have learned from the mistakes made in previous years. We have not wildcarded them after trials! Which is where all previous problems have arisen. These problems had arisen due to players not making it through trials and then being wildcarded.

Let's be clear, this 'crap' has never happened before. I don't recall there being another occasion when OCPF has won the national county championships.

If you feel so strongly Jules, why not come to the AGM on Sunday. 9.30am at Rileys!

I think some people are missing my point.
Quite a few people have mentioned to me regarding the county set up and how its run people not getting a fair crack at it.

i have looked at the stats at nationals and under the current rules only 1 player should have to qualify again but looking at county stats i cannot find out what the retention mark was for last season because the file is corrupted. this player may or may not of qualified through his county points alone.

My Point is people will see this and decide not to go to trials because they feel it is not being run farely.

The county spokesman should explain this to all so they understand the system so how many points was it last season to be retained.

hulio · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

The Pool Shark wrote:

Charming! You let a bloke beat you 2-1 coz you feel sorry for him and his monday night league record, you buy him 2 pints to congratulate him, and then he goes and calls you a muppet the very next day!

Dont Take it heart ash i thought the 2nd pint was for when i beat you next time.

oi and dont mention my monday stats

lol smile

hulio · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

GOD wrote:

If you feel so strongly Jules, why not come to the AGM on Sunday. 9.30am at Rileys!

Bit early for me mate might come to trials if you got a z side biggrin biggrin biggrin

How much are these wildcards anyway might be interested in buying one

GOD · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

hulio wrote:

I think some people are missing my point.
Quite a few people have mentioned to me regarding the county set up and how its run people not getting a fair crack at it.

i have looked at the stats at nationals and under the current rules only 1 player should have to qualify again but looking at county stats i cannot find out what the retention mark was for last season because the file is corrupted. this player may or may not of qualified through his county points alone.

My Point is people will see this and decide not to go to trials because they feel it is not being run farely.

The county spokesman should explain this to all so they understand the system so how many points was it last season to be retained.

If you click on the link in the menu on the right, rather than the main screen you will be able to see the county rankings.

You have to agree that OCPF has never been run in a fairer way than it has been over the last few years. There are always bound to be some people in an organsation with 60 odd members who feel they have been unfairly treated. They are more than welcome to either bring this up with the players rep (Shelley), or their teams manager.

GOD · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

hulio wrote:

How much are these wildcards anyway might be interested in buying one

A wildcard for you? I doubt even one of the top 10 people on the Forbes Rich list has enough money to purchase that!! lol

lakeattacks · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

GOD wrote:

You have to agree that OCPF has never been run in a fairer way than it has been over the last few years. There are always bound to be some people in an organsation with 60 odd members who feel they have been unfairly treated. They are more than welcome to either bring this up with the players rep (Shelley), or their teams manager.

I don't agree Ben, There are things that need to be sorted to make things better and sweeping it under the carpet because of 1 great weekend is not the answer,
Yes what a great performance it is to win the event, but what about the other 10 weekends to get to finals or 16 for B/C players.

The rules need to be followed but as normal they are being bent to suit, This is not a dig at the people who have been and won the event because that was a great achievement, it is a dig at rules, but you can't have players playing loads of games and not even getting a phone call to say your not need for the last match of the season in a team they played in all season or any contact on selsey, while others have only played 6 or 7 during a season not played the min of 3 games for B or C teams as the rules were written for last season getting retained.
I know some of the reasons these players were not asked to do this is because the youth were moaning that there 12 youth games weren't enough for them, so main players missed out on the chance of following the rules, while youth players played, Lucky for me, I can say after my time.
I even know of 1 player who failed at trials after giving away a frame he won that went on to play 22 frames during the season, where is the fairness in that.

I hope the committee vote was to allow these players to be retained for next years teams, also I hope a proposal was made for the rules to say all winning teams players at nationals will be retained for the next season.

Maybe in future on the main website all meeting notes should be posted after every meeting, because I for one got caught out twice by notes not being passed on, or being leaked out incorrectly.

Ps Ben whats the point of inviting people to the AGM when the only people that can vote is last years squad, surely you know the rules Mr Chairman

GOD · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

That is true. But there's nothing to stop anyone from having there say in the 'any other business part of proceedings'.

Just because some people are not entitled to vote does not mean they can not have their opinion heard.

hulio · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

GOD wrote:

A wildcard for you? I doubt even one of the top 10 people on the Forbes Rich list has enough money to purchase that!! lol

Yeah but im sure you can bend the rules a bit just for me

biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

lakeattacks wrote:
I even know of 1 player who failed at trials after giving away a frame he won that went on to play 22 frames during the season, where is the fairness in that.

So why during the time that you were on the committee, didn't you bring this to our attention

lakeattacks · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

MING wrote:

lakeattacks wrote:
I even know of 1 player who failed at trials after giving away a frame he won that went on to play 22 frames during the season, where is the fairness in that.
So why during the time that you were on the committee, didn't you bring this to our attention

I did at Trials, but as the person didn't make it into the squad it didn't matter, plus the frames were played after my time,

Milhouse · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

As much as i enjoy reading all this, but can anyone actally answer my question that this thread was started for ???

The Pool Shark · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

lakeattacks wrote:
The rules need to be followed but as normal they are being bent to suit,

Accepting you're not having a personal dig, Steve, can you just explain why the rules are being bent to suit?

The OCPF Constitution clearly states "The Mens CountySquad shall consist of up to 30 players, consisting of retained players, (all of whom must have met one part of the criteria set out in rule 48), successful trialists and pre-trial Wildcard players selected by the Team Manager(s).

Surely all the committee are doing is rewarding those players (which I appreciate includes myself) who contributed to the fantastic achievement at the Nationals with Wildcards as per the Constitutional rule above?

-- Edited by The Pool Shark on Saturday 14th of March 2009 03:13:42 PM

lakeattacks · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

The Pool Shark wrote:

lakeattacks wrote:
The rules need to be followed but as normal they are being bent to suit,

I hope the committee vote was to allow these players to be retained for next years teams, also I hope a proposal was made for the rules to say all winning teams players at nationals will be retained for the next season.
Accepting you're not having a personal dig, Steve, can you just explain why the rules are being bent to suit?

The OCPF Constitution clearly states "The Mens CountySquad shall consist of up to 30 players, consisting of retained players, (all of whom must have met one part of the criteria set out in rule 48), successful trialists and pre-trial Wildcard players selected by the Team Manager(s).

Surely all the committee are doing is rewarding those players (which I appreciate includes myself) who contributed to the fantastic achievement at the Nationals with Wildcards as per the Constitutional rule above?

-- Edited by The Pool Shark on Saturday 14th of March 2009 03:13:42 PM

This is why I added the above, note. If I was still on the committee, I would of also voted in favour of the wildcards being given out.

It is the misinformation that comes out that leades to problems, Majority of the times by people who shouldn't say anything as it is not there postion to do so. To solve problems like this, something should off been said like,
Due to winning the nationals all winning team players have been wildcarded for next year and at the AGM a proposal will be made to make sure, this is in the Constitution from now on, to reward the achievment of winning a event.

I think it is a shame that there won't be more new people trying to get involved on the committee this year and all I can hope, is that some of these people read the constitution and stick to there postions and not talk about other things to other people that don't concern them.
I won't be at The Agm or Trials, I have had a go at making a differnece and it backfired.
I wish Kenny Saunders good luck at trials tomorrow, after only being out of hospital a few weeks, which ment he missed out on Selsey and has only played a few games since, Maybe after illness and also helping out with being Capt of the C team he should be offered a wild card as well, for thanks for his help and due to being ill, He as already made it 3 times to squad in the last 4 years