FORUM CLOSING ON 14th JANUARY

Good list of players retained - I think its fair too.  Hopefully there is a good turnout tomorrow and the squad benefits from a successful trial!

I will not be attending the AGM, but I have left some points for discussion with Craig and Gee - Hope its productive!   

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scoo8y wrote:

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does that mean your in the cs then beef cake, ive heard that you have been retained as a county player due to you being a committe member but by looking at your stats at nationals you should have be4en made to qualify. my granny with her walking stick could be on the committe would she get a place..(i think shes better than you anyway)

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Awww, so nice to see that John's efforts in putting the stats etc on the website are appreciated.

Have you been following the ups and downs in Beefy's career for long ?

I really though your HERO would be someone else...

 

It has always been the case that key committee positions carry an automatic squad place.  This is because these roles take up a considerable amount of peoples time (that the rest of you do not see for the most part), and it is unreasonable to expect people to give up such a large amount of time for a side if they have no involvement in it. 

The committee all like to make retention anyway, as it helps keep the whingers quiet!!!!!  It is no coincidence that the committee is made up of both the most committed and most consistently achieving players.  Anyone interested in examining the committee members past and present and the number of occasions individuals have benefitted from this rule will see that all committee members are retained almost every year due to achievement... And a one-off year where someone has fallen short of the mark is a little bit excessive for immediately jumping on their case!!   

Finally, as previously stated, a place on the Squad does not guarentee team selection, and anyone retained in this way will have to start at the bottom of the pecking order and work their way back up.

And now, Back to the Action...
Sorry to interrupt...

GET COLZY IN!!
GET COLZY IN!!
GET COLZY IN!!
GET COLZY IN!!

(OH, AND JEZ!!)

I'm gutted for you to Colzy.

Unfortunately, there has to be a cut off point some where. There are always going to be a few people who just miss out.

The last time I had to trial, I missed out on retention by .25 of a point :((.


@ Scooby. I presume what you mean, by the system being unfair, is that it's not you and your mates hand picking the teams and some other poor sod doing all the scivying! In which case Colzy would probably still have missed out.

If you are referring to you not being wildcarded last season whilst you had a broken foot as being unfair. I think you really need to ask yourself why you acted like such a tit at Selsey. I think you'll find the answer there.

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GOD wrote:

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I'm gutted for you to Colzy.

Unfortunately, there has to be a cut off point some where. There are always going to be a few people who just miss out.

The last time I had to trial, I missed out on retention by .25 of a point :((.


@ Scooby. I presume what you mean, by the system being unfair, is that it's not you and your mates hand picking the teams and some other poor sod doing all the scivying! In which case Colzy would probably still have missed out.

If you are referring to you not being wildcarded last season whilst you had a broken foot as being unfair. I think you really need to ask yourself why you acted like such a tit at Selsey. I think you'll find the answer there.

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to be fair mate i dont really give a *oss weva i play county it doesnt intrest me anymore i was just putting my point across for people like colzey that want to play, people that give everything to get in the side. i think the system stinks. say what you want but just remember who your talking to when you start calling people tits. to be honest mate i think its more important to bring the youngsters through the ranks early rather than putting people who are past it in the side including yourself remember the future for oxford pool is with people like colzey and youve probly done his confidence a world of good

 

-- Edited by scoo8y on Monday 16th of March 2009 10:27:43 PM

Hey! who removed Scooby's post stating that i was his HERO?

Commie B' TARDS (so much for free speech)

Anyway, i've no sympathy for you young punks, the game's far to easy these days...

When i started playing in the year 2000 BC, there wasn't any "break n' dishes". 

There wasn't any of those nice Aramith balls either, back in those days we had to kill a woolly mammoth so we could make some from the ivory tusks.

In fact, it was only 900 or so years later, when some guy invented the wheel that my great grandad thought the game might be easier to play if the balls were round.

You've never had it so good...

lakeattacks wrote:

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GOD wrote:

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I'm gutted for you to Colzy.

Unfortunately, there has to be a cut off point some where. There are always going to be a few people who just miss out.

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There's the problem Ben, The cut of laid out at the start of season was 14 games, so People didn't have to play 16 weekends which seemed unfair and also to give A players a chance of playing a few B/C games.
Now when people look back at stats and see someone played 6 or 7 matches and got retained for other reasons fair enough, but others played 14 matches it looks a bit unfair. also when they may off missed a game or two because they thought they had to when others played 16 or 17.
I know last season was a funny one with 16 matches and from what I have heard there has been more changes to make it better for number of matches,
It is just a shame when someone like Colzy who gives his all and is a big supporter of the county teams and even get's 2/3 when his foot was badly hurt gets let down by the system. 

Colzy I'm sorry if I left you out of a team trying to follow the rules and stopped you making it back, I will always have high praise for you after what you did in pain against Berkshire and I really enjoyed having you in the team,

Colzy, Good Luck in the future getting back into county. if that is what you want to do, I'm sure a lot of people will miss you not being around.

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Oh dear, pass the kleenex

Whilst I'm no longer on the committee, i'll apoligise on for making life sooooo hard for the likes of Colzy during my time. It's not as if there's an abundance of opportunities to be retained troughout the season, now is there ?

1. Points gained throughout the season
2. Points gained at County Finals
3. Reaching Quarter- Finals of Singles at County Finals
4. Winning or being highest non-retained player at Oxfordshire County Singles
5. Trials

So, 5 opportunities to qualify; none taken, end off!

If the likes of Colzy knuckled down and played pool instead of pissin' around then they'd qualify easy but they don't and they didn't.

Furthermore, a few lads and no doubt ladies who've trialed endlessly without success turned up yet again and qualified this time, so why should others feel left out. Current players are given 5 opportunities chances to be retained, whilst new trialists have 1, so the system's hardly biased against current players.

Stop chewing and swallow that humble pie

 

lakeattacks wrote:

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There's the problem Ben, The cut of laid out at the start of season was 14 games, so People didn't have to play 16 weekends which seemed unfair and also to give A players a chance of playing a few B/C games.
Now when people look back at stats and see someone played 6 or 7 matches and got retained for other reasons fair enough, but others played 14 matches it looks a bit unfair. also when they may off missed a game or two because they thought they had to when others played 16 or 17.

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I think you'll find, if you look back at the stats in a little more detail. The people who played more than the allotted 14 games were all retained prior to playing the 15th.

The reason why we played more than 14 was because of people dropping out throughout the season, or not being interested to play for the B's/C's. Are you seriously suggesting we should have played the last few matches with only 7 or 8 players?

Steve you should know better than anybody that you are damned when you do and damned when you don't. No one has a problem with suggestions being put forward. Everyone had their chance to put themselves forward for committee positions in the last couple of weeks, or at least to have their views heard at the AGM. But when people say 'Its all so un-fair', 'Things need to change' etc. It's really not helpful. Truth be told, when you were on the committee you were unable to stand the barrage of constant criticism heading in your direction. Now from the comfort of your armchair, you are engaging in exactly the same thing here!

 

MING wrote:

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Hey! who removed Scooby's post stating that i was his HERO?

Commie B' TARDS (so much for free speech)

Anyway, i've no sympathy for you young punks, the game's far to easy these days...

When i started playing in the year 2000 BC, there wasn't any "break n' dishes". 

There wasn't any of those nice Aramith balls either, back in those days we had to kill a woolly mammoth so we could make some from the ivory tusks.

In fact, it was only 900 or so years later, when some guy invented the wheel that my great grandad thought the game might be easier to play if the balls were round.

You've never had it so good...

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if the game is so easy thease days why are YOU struggling ???????????

 

GOD wrote:

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I think you'll find, if you look back at the stats in a little more detail. The people who played more than the allotted 14 games were all retained prior to playing the 15th.

The reason why we played more than 14 was because of people dropping out throughout the season, or not being interested to play for the B's/C's. Are you seriously suggesting we should have played the last few matches with only 7 or 8 players?

Steve you should know better than anybody that you are damned when you do and damned when you don't. No one has a problem with suggestions being put forward. Everyone had their chance to put themselves forward for committee positions in the last couple of weeks, or at least to have their views heard at the AGM. But when people say 'Its all so un-fair', 'Things need to change' etc. It's really not helpful. Truth be told, when you were on the committee you were unable to stand the barrage of constant criticism heading in your direction. Now from the comfort of your armchair, you are engaging in exactly the same thing here!

 

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 Ben I never said it was wrong they played more then 14, I just said it looks bad when someone makes 14 and falls just short, when if there form had kept going into a 15th or 16th match they may off made the points needed. 
Your point was that there needed to be a cut off at some point, which I agree with. But it was a weak choice of words because there was a clear case of a cut off not being used.
Thats is why I also put it was a funny season and if the changes have been made to mean better number of games it makes running the system better, for this season. It is just a shame when someone miss's out after putting so much effort in last season when maybe others didn't.
My comments have only been about rules and the constitution, not attacking people as what happen to me, I only last night defended the committee on issues because I know what imposable jobs you all do.
My First lot of comments was, fine make changes just make sure they get done during the season and then add at the Agm for the constitution.
I think and know sometimes people should just stick to there jobs and not talk about other things, If something needs to be said let the people in the position say it, If it is a team issue let the team managers say things if it is about rules and info let the secretary deal with it, if it is to make a meeting let the chairman deal with it. Dont have someone saying things to people which are not there position they were voted to do. I think that may stop a lot of the problems and make some of the jobs easier, Example If I get voted on as a Social Rep what right have I got to Discuss Money or Team issues to others outside the committee, or if I'm C team manager why should I Leak things about Money.

 

Minx wrote:

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I think we've all said our piece now... Let's move on and look forward now to the season ahead

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Oh no no please dont .

Have not had a good read like this for ages.

Please carry on i love it.

the forum has not been this exciting for ages.

over to you scooby give it some

 

 

MING wrote:

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scoo8y wrote:

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if the game is so easy thease days why are YOU struggling ??????????? 

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I'm only struggling to understand why you youngsters are still getting you a***s kicked by an "old git"

 

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 if i remember rightly we have never played so therefore you have never beat me. The only way you would spank me is to tie me up and use your grandad slipper but somehow i dont think that will ever happen. but you would have to choose from a whole range of grampy slippers being that you are so old and past it