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8ballpotter · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

RE: Abingdon Winter League 2009 - 2010

Pissfield · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

What advantage? As far as I know we're playing it before you guys anyway.

8ballpotter · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

Surely i dont have to explain how you would have the advantage.. !!? confuse you best get as many frames as you can before you come to us then......... biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

DocJ · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

I think that perhaps what Matt is trying to say is that in any sport a fixture or fixtures played after the end date of the lague in question, where most of the other teams have already fulfilled all of their fixtures can give rise to the opportunity to cheat or fix matches.

Now, before I get jumped on, let me make it clear that I don't think for a minute that this would happen here because I know for a fact that it wouldn't.

However, lets look at a hypothetical situation:

The Oracle are 4 points behind us at the moment. If we beat them 10-5 on Sunday (tall order methinks!) with them having not played their postponed game, they would be 9 points behind us with a game in hand. Their game in hand is against Peachcroft, who probably have nothing to play for this season as WRBL and Kennington are ahead of them with games in hand and they can't get relegated. This gives rise to a situation where the teams could collude and make sure that the Oracle get the 10-5 win that they need to send us down.

I reiterate that this is a purely hypothetical situation, which I know wouldn't happen but surely a league should be designed to incorporate some mechanism to ensure that this situation has no chance of arising......ie, all games HAVE to be played by the end of the final fixture. It's not as if Selsey was a one off or came completely out of the blue either......surely games could have been rearranged for an earlier date?

And finally, I did see that the Oracle probably would be playing there postponed game before they play us...... just wanted to make the point.

8ballpotter · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

Yes that was what i was trying to say just didn't have the time or patients to explain in detail, Cheers Karl.

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Whilst Selsey wasn't a surprise, the 'B' Team reaching the Final of their event, and the fact that soo many Abingdon League players were part of the county teams, was the main cause of the re-arrangements as getting back in time was impossible.

I've given teams until 4th April to complete their fixtures. Whilst teams could attempt to use this to their advantage I will keep an eye on any skullduggery that anyone may try. The arguement that one team, who have nothing to play for, may not try as hard is a valid one but there's also the fact that because they haven't got anything to play for may make them more relaxed and therefore play better than they might under pressure.

In future i will try to make sure the Selsey weekend isn't a league fixture weekend.

Finally, a reminder of the EGM on Sunday; 6.30pm @ Oracle

DocJ · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

MING wrote:

Whilst Selsey wasn't a surprise, the 'B' Team reaching the Final of their event, and the fact that soo many Abingdon League players were part of the county teams, was the main cause of the re-arrangements as getting back in time was impossible.

I've given teams until 4th April to complete their fixtures. Whilst teams could attempt to use this to their advantage I will keep an eye on any skullduggery that anyone may try. The arguement that one team, who have nothing to play for, may not try as hard is a valid one but there's also the fact that because they haven't got anything to play for may make them more relaxed and therefore play better than they might under pressure.

In future i will try to make sure the Selsey weekend isn't a league fixture weekend.

Finally, a reminder of the EGM on Sunday; 6.30pm @ Oracle

Are you sure about that? Your last e-mail said the 11th........

Better get that clarified to avoid any unnecessary slanging matches or use of death rays on the forum..... wink

Manse · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

MING wrote:

Whilst Selsey wasn't a surprise, the 'B' Team reaching the Final of their event, and the fact that soo many Abingdon League players were part of the county teams, was the main cause of the re-arrangements as getting back in time was impossible.

I think the scheduled team finals (3pm) were later than the previous year too, given the qualifying games in the morning. However, the B team final did not start until after 4pm anyway.

GOD · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

Which makes it all the more remarkable that Sheeba missed it due to having a cat nap!

Manse · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

I think the county committee should consider giving Sheba an award for his afternoon nap during a county final...

Something along the lines of.... Grab by the tail and throwing him out the county squad.

Fairplay, he did do a good job of driving home, which was due to the nap apparently.

Barney · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

I only went the wrong way once.

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

DocJ wrote:
Are you sure about that? Your last e-mail said the 11th........

Better get that clarified to avoid any unnecessary slanging matches or use of death rays on the forum.....

Yes, it is actually the 11th biggrin

, I'd given up thinking that anyone bothered to read my emails so I thought I'd throw in a googly to see if anyone would notice.....

So a straight relegation battle between Oracle and the Keys.

My prediction as to the final tables -

	Premier Section League Table
Pos	Team	Pld	W	L	D	For	Agn	+ / -	Pts
1st	Tandem	16	14	2	0	150	90	60	150
2nd	Midget C	16	10	6	0	136	104	32	136
3rd	Oracle 'A'	16	10	6	0	132	108	24	132
4th	Cross Keys B	16	10	6	0	128	112	16	128

	Section One League Table
Pos	Team	Pld	W	L	D	For	Agn	+ / -	Pts
1st	Kennington Soc Cl	16	8	8	0	126	114	12	126
2nd	Wootton RBL A	16	8	8	0	120	120	0	120
3rd	Peachcroft 'A'	16	5	11	0	108	132	-24	108
4th	Plough (Ab)	16	5	11	0	90	150	-60	90
5th	Midget A	16	2	14	0	90	150	-60	90
6th	BYE	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

A number of teams have outstanding results/cards missing, there are also re-arranged matches outstanding;

10/01/10 - Black Swan vs Bowyer Arms, Peachcroft 'B' vs Wootton RBL 'B', Crown 'B' vs Stocks Bar

07/03/10 - Wootton 'A' vs Tandem, Kennington vs Midget 'C', Peachcroft 'A' vs Oracle 'A'

These matches MUST be played by 11th April or will be void...

All pubs/clubs should have received the Entry Forms for the 2010 Summer League, these need to be returned by 11th April.

BE WARNED - If you are one of the lazy gits who sends in their entry late, you will be disappointed...

The League's Annual General Meeting (AGM) will take place on 2nd May 2010, 6.30pm @ Oracle Snooker Club

(the AGM will deal with the 2010/11 Winter Season & 2011 Summer Season)

Any member who wishes to propose a motion MUST contact the League Secretary in writing or by email within 7 days of the AGM, i.e. 25th April

The position of League Chairman is up for re-election. Anyone wishing to stand for this position, including the incumbent, should also contact the League Secretary by 25th April

All motions, nominations for Chairman and the AGM Agenda will be posted on the OCPF forum and emailed on 26th April.

Finally, a reminder of the EGM on Sunday 28th March, 6.30pm @ Oracle Snooker Club

DocJ · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

Whilst we're still on the subject of outstanding fixture and relegation issues.......

I've been reminded of the rule that if the team top of Section One has less points than the team at the bottom of the Premiership at the end of the season, the Section One winners won't get promoted. Is this still the case? I'm guessing not.........

Also.....

2) Start time, Lateness and Absence

Matches will take place weekly on SUNDAY evenings, as detailed in the fixture list distributed by the league secretary.
Matches cannot be played beyond the date stipulated on the fixture list except in the following circumstances;

Where circumstances arise that are beyond a teams control i.e. Pub Refurbishment, Table damaged etc
Where both teams agree to a definite date on which to play a rearranged match, provided that;
(a) said date is no more than 7 days after the original date as stipulated on the fixture list,
(b) both teams notify the league secretary of the postponement and the date on which the match is to be played. Failure to inform the secretary will result in the match being void.

I don't think Selsey really qualifies as an exceptional circumstance, does it? And even if it does, the seven day deadline has long since passed......

Hmmm? Is that rulesgate 2 I see approaching over the horizon?

-- Edited by DocJ on Friday 26th of March 2010 01:10:56 PM

8ballpotter · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

Ow no not again.......... disbelief

DocJ · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

8ballpotter wrote:

Ow no not again..........

No, NOT again........I don't really want another rulesgate.......I don't think I could cope

Just making sure that we get the rules clarified, that's all.......

Oracle A · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

Bless the keys they really wanna stay up!!!

Shame they won't!!!

Love it 0)

the apprentice · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

Jeeez DocJ you are taking this a little bit far!!

Surely you should be congratulating the County players who got to the final of their events, not bitching about the HUGE deal of the mighty Abingdon League.

Im sure if you were the right end of the table come the final game of the season you wouldnt have said anything...

Oracle A · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

I must admit I find this all quite amusing!

I mean at least they can look forward to being title contenders next season ( division 1 that is ) !!!

I'm sorry just can't help myself!

I'm gonna look so silly if we go down, but won't loose much sleep over it as others might!

8ballpotter · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

Oracle A wrote:

I must admit I find this all quite amusing!

I mean at least they can look forward to being title contenders next season ( division 1 that is ) !!!

I'm sorry just can't help myself!

I'm gonna look so silly if we go down, but won't loose much sleep over it as others might!

Nice one!! thats all the inspiration we needed

best hope your not the ones pushing for the division one title next year biggrin

.
and Yes you will look silly............

Nothing like a bit of banter to make Sundays showdown more exciting .........

DocJ · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

OK, perhaps this has gone a little bit far but i'm not trying to get us out of relegation by any means possible......far from it. If we finish botton, we deserve to go down because we haven't performed consistently enough over the course of the season.....we only have ourselves to blame.

I'm just trying to highlight the fact that there seems to be rules and regs in place which aren't adhered to.....what's the point in having them if that's the case? It just leaves me a little baffled, that's all...... confuse

I hope this doesn't lead to any bad feelings during Sundays game because it shouldn't. This is just a forum used for airing views, which we're all doing......this isn't anything personal.

Finally, the Oxfordshire B team did a fantastic job in Selsey, and I extend my congrats to them all. To say that the Abingdon League is small fry compared to the county though is a bit myopic though......where would the county be without all the local leagues that nurture the talent and allow people to play the majority of their competitive games? To learn and improve exponentially you don't only need to play county pool. Grass grows from the roots upwards........

Oracle A · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

Na not by any means. There's nothing like a bit of banter!

We look forward to the game against ya, your a good bunch so should be a good match

nature boy colzy · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

done it ..won it ....cya

DocJ · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

Cross Keys B 4 - 11 Oracle A

Another capitulation from the Keys means that we're relegated. Oh well, roll on next season. I'm too distraught to list the idividual results......... biggrin

Seriously, the Oracle played well and deserved to win, especially the bloke who beat me three times on the trot!

That's me signed off for another season........

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

DocJ wrote:
I'm just trying to highlight the fact that there seems to be rules and regs in place which aren't adhered to.....what's the point in having them if that's the case? It just leaves me a little baffled, that's all......

The rule regarding relegation from the Premier Section was removed a number of years ago as we had the ridiculous situation whereby a team was continually winning Section One as they never aquired enough points to be promoted and the team finishing bottom of the Premiership never had the opportunity to win anything as they were never relegated.

As for your other point regarding the Rules; I try to use common sense when judging how to proceed when a particular situation arises and especially where both Captains have spoken to each other and myself over the issue concerned. If there's agreement between the two teams then I tend to leave well alone, if not then I advise them on what the rules state. On most occasions the teams concerned then tend to reach an agreement rather than try to claim a match etc, it seems that most team realize that they could find themselves in the same boat.

Where I do strictly enforce the Rules is when neither team bothers to contact me so that I know what's happening and/or advise them on how they could/should proceed. That said, i appreaciate the possibility of a team gaining an advantage by playing their final match(es) after the final league date, it won't be allowed in future... also the Selsey weekend will be a Team Knockout week in future seasons.

Oracle A · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

Can the midget handle the pressure!!!

When losing 9-6 to peachcroft I was a bit worried that unless we beat the cross keys at there place we could be relegated!

But then we showed our potentials and crushed them 11-4!

Now having spoken to my future captain Mr Rowe he told me they had a bad night losing to the Tandem quite convincenly which now puts them in a position where unless they beat kennington they would finish 3rd leaving Oracle with the runners up spot!!!

Now obviously I would like the midget to do well as I'm gonna be there big new signing next season ( which is reported to be in the region of £3,000,000 )! But whilst I'm still an oracle player I would love to grab that runners up spot and win the Team knockout!

Other than that well done last night oracle and I'm sure hazel will bring in some new decent players and will make them a hard team to beat.

the apprentice · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

Is that it?!

Wootton Legion paid in excess of £80million for me...Ronaldo who?!?!

Beefy · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

Grapevine results as I see the RBL are keeping things a bit quiet on here today.

Kennington 11 - 4 Midget A

WRBL 10 - 5 Tandem

Meaning that we have a 3 pt cushion excluding their last games result.

Must say a surprise result against the Tandem did they have there full strength team out I wonder ? I know WRBL were light one player.

Anyway I beleive that my 3/3 last night secured most wins so just those premiership big boys to try and overtake with the one remaining match to play.

DocJ · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

MING wrote:

DocJ wrote:
I'm just trying to highlight the fact that there seems to be rules and regs in place which aren't adhered to.....what's the point in having them if that's the case? It just leaves me a little baffled, that's all......
The rule regarding relegation from the Premier Section was removed a number of years ago as we had the ridiculous situation whereby a team was continually winning Section One as they never aquired enough points to be promoted and the team finishing bottom of the Premiership never had the opportunity to win anything as they were never relegated.

As for your other point regarding the Rules; I try to use common sense when judging how to proceed when a particular situation arises and especially where both Captains have spoken to each other and myself over the issue concerned. If there's agreement between the two teams then I tend to leave well alone, if not then I advise them on what the rules state. On most occasions the teams concerned then tend to reach an agreement rather than try to claim a match etc, it seems that most team realize that they could find themselves in the same boat.

Where I do strictly enforce the Rules is when neither team bothers to contact me so that I know what's happening and/or advise them on how they could/should proceed. That said, i appreaciate the possibility of a team gaining an advantage by playing their final match(es) after the final league date, it won't be allowed in future... also the Selsey weekend will be a Team Knockout week in future seasons.

Well, that now seems to have cleared the issue up.......thanks smile

the apprentice · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

Result from last night: PLOUGH something - something WOOTTON RBL

So you're last game is the 11th April ey....hmm...Im sure you will find out how many points you need and 'convientently' pick them up in that match.

And Kev, why are you making Selsey weekend a Team KO night, how many matches we re-arranged because of it, 2 - 3 ? Im sure you wont allow re-arranging of TKO so it seems a bit unfair. Just leave a week at the end of the season for re-arrangements...or have no games played at all on that date.