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Firstly rob i do understand your point of veiw and as i said before i try to be fair across the board to all teams concerned.

Lets address the snow situation out of 24 games last week only 9 were played less than 50%.

The 15 games that were cancelled i bet 90% of them were cancelled with less than 24 hrs notice. and ONLY 1 COMPLAINT ABOUT TEAMS NOT GIVEN 24HRS NOTICE.

Most teams i beleive waited to see if the weather was going to improve this i beleive was the right choice under the circumstances.

Under the rules of the league you are not even allowed to rearrange a match passed the date it was due to be played on. So what u are saying is i should award all the points to the teams who were playing at home last week. How often do we get a foot of snow i mean i could'nt even get the car out of the drive.

The Rules below gives me the right to make the decision that i beleive to be right. My decision is that a date extention HAS BEEN GRANTED TO ALL TEAMS THAT FAILED TO FULFILL THEIR FIXTURES ON THURSDAY 7TH JANUARY 2010 DUE TO ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS.

Games to be played prior to the last league match of the season which in this case is before THURSDAY 25TH MARCH 2010

As to who is responsible to contact who first i would use your common sense here.
ALL CAPTAINS KNOW THEY HAVE A GAME TO REARRANGE SO GET IT SORTED DONT WAIT FOR THE OTHER CAPTAIN TO CALL U THEN SAY ITS HIS JOB TO CONTACT ME FIRST THIS IS A FEEBLE EXCUSE AND CHILDISH.


2.1.1 Teams are not allowed to re-arrange matches beyond the date stipulated on the fixture list without the express permission of the committee as per rule 11.4

2.1.2 Matches re-arranged beyond the date stipulated on the fixture list without the express permission of the committee as per rule 11.4 will be void with no points or frames being awarded to either team


11.4 If special circumstances arise i.e. pub refurbishment, whereby a team cannot fulfil a home fixture the committee may grant a date extension for the affected match (es). If the fixture is a cup match, the team will be instructed to play the fixture away. The Captain/Landlord of said team must contact the Secretary immediately this situation arises. The committee, if granting a date extension will inform any teams affected and advise of any appropriate action to be taken. Please note that each case will be decided on its own merit.






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I think the point that Jackpot Wheeler is trying to make is that the opposing team would surely have known a long time before if they were not going to make the game.   Possibly even the day before, so why leave it to the last minute to blame it on the snow ?








For your information millhouse and Mr wheeler i was the person who was to drive the team to kidlington ,it was my first day back to work after having the wed off because of the snow,  it took me half an hour longer than normal with a few slides and wheel spins and only driving at 10 mile an hr for 20 miles  because of the bad road conditions on thur ,so as it didnt get any better through out the morning and afternoon  i rang my captain and told him i will not be driving due to the road conditions and i wouldnt put anyones lives at risk ,so how could he have given 24hrs notice to cancel ,rules are rules but sometimes they need to be broken ,also in all the 26 years i been playing  pool  it dosent state anything about weather conditions in the rules, so jules could you add this little rule into the rule book for next year , i will also save up and buy a 5 seater snow mobile for our team biggrin

 

 




 



-- Edited by pots on Tuesday 12th of January 2010 06:00:13 PM

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pots wrote:
For your information millhouse and Mr wheeler i was the person who was to drive the team to kidlington ,it was my first day back to work after having the wed off because of the snow,  it took me half an hour longer than normal with a few slides and wheel spins and only driving at 10 mile an hr for 20 miles  because of the bad road conditions on thur ,so as it didnt get any better through out the morning and afternoon  i rang my captain and told him i will not be driving due to the road conditions and i wouldnt put anyones lives at risk ,so how could he have given 24hrs notice to cancel ,rules are rules but sometimes they need to be broken ,also in all the 26 years i been playing  pool  it dosent state anything about weather conditions in the rules, so jules could you add this little rule into the rule book for next year , i will also save up and buy a 5 seater snow mobile for our team biggrin


I just might have one hanging around somewhere Shaun Snow Mobile     biggrin



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i would like to say that is the point i was trying to make  the game could of been cancelled b4 and as 4 the lift scenario i wouldnt expect any one to put themselves at risk let alone others and i was  just trying to clear up the other matter reguarding the issue last year as same sort of thing  because the only spare week we had was on the team knockout date which we were in where as this year we are going to play the game on doubles not so we aint in it so we can play it all i was saying was ive played in leagues where at the end of the season they have a 2 week gap b4 finals nite so the first week they can play a rear ranged game. these forums r for discussion  and i will speak my mind 2 clear up things that need to be addressed.    thanks millhouse at least someone can c where i was coming from and lucky lewis can u also buy me one or pick me up as i live on a hill hope i havent affended anyone i just think certain points needed 2 b raised if i have dont worry one day it will all blow over when the snow goes  like i have mentioned its a pool nite we all like to play the game and have a laugh as well

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and lucky lewis can u also buy me one or pick me up as i live on a hill


Snow MobileSnow Mobile 2 on Order wink

      And after last nights SNOW are ALL tomorrows matches OFF Mr. Wood ?.



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jackpotwheeler wrote:
i was  just trying to clear up the other matter reguarding the issue last year as same sort of thing  because the only spare week we had was on the team knockout date
Why is it that Teams believe that re-arranged matches need only be played on the normal night (Thursday), rather than another night suitable for both teams. Just because some players play in Sun, Mon, Tues Pool Leagues isn't really a concern of the Thursday league. Restricting any re-arrangements to one particular night risks been unable to get matches played as you've found out, to your teams cost

When re-arranging matches, there has to be a little give n' take from both teams, with a large amount of COMMUNICATION between the Captains.



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      And after last nights SNOW are ALL tomorrows matches OFF Mr. Wood ?.



I have just been out in my Snow Mobileit was great until i reached the main roads. What snow are we talking about.



 



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  hulio wrote:
And after last nights SNOW are ALL tomorrows matches OFF Mr. Wood ?.
I have just been out in my Snow Mobileit was great until i reached the main roads. What snow are we talking about.



That White WHITE stuff m8 wink


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like i said other pool leagues that i have played in do have a couple of weeks spare b4 finals night 2 play them and we all like 2 play the game but some people have commitments ie kids and families like myself so if i play pool 3 times in the week then play in a rearranged game i think it would be taking the piss abit and it did cost us because every thursday 2 the end of the league we had matches as well as a team knock out so we couldnt play it i also bring another player with me who doesnt drive so the team has lost 2 players in one nite. and also if u r saying a little bit of give and take then it should of been allowed in this situation as it was a proper reason. also for gods comment about  waiting 4 the snow to come well the snow fell 2 days earlier so y wait till the day 2 cancel  because if food is already sorted then it is a waist so maybe the away team if it is there fault then there should b a rule saying u pay 4 that food that is waisted 

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jackpotwheeler wrote:
like i said other pool leagues that i have played in do have a couple of weeks spare b4 finals night 2

Most leagues aren't as big as this league and nor do they run a Summer League between Winter seasons, therefore there isn't many spare weeks to play re-arranged matches. The league has a tight schedule in this respect (the same as the Abingdon one, I run) so it can't delay proceedings just because one or two teams don't have enough players to fulfil these re-arrangements.



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also for gods comment about  waiting 4 the snow to come well the snow fell 2 days earlier so y wait till the day 2 cancel  because if food is already sorted then it is a waist

It's very unusal for Oxford to have this much snow and then not to be followed by rain which washes it all away the next day so waiting until the matchday to cancel is reasonable, though perhaps the decision could have been relayed to the pub/club earlier.

However, is it not also reasonable to expect the Landlord/Manager to consider the state of the roads, especially if their pub/club is on a side street where very little, if any, gritting had taken place and take steps to confirm with his/her Captain, who would MAYBE contacted the away Captain, that the match would be taking place, before preparing food.

In the end, none of us (except Malc) spends all our day thinking about pool matches (yes, I do occasionally drive them trains) so it is unfortunate that food wastage takes place. My advice is to sign on a couple of BIG geezers who'll take care of that problem in future


 



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In the end, none of us (except Malc) spends all our day thinking about pool matches (yes, I do occasionally drive them trains) so it is unfortunate that food wastage takes place. My advice is to sign on a couple of BIG geezers who'll take care of that problem in future



Or sign on Beefy to take care of the food ! winkbiggrin

 



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Anyway, back to the purpose of this thread...

Shelley Arms 10 - 1 White House

Altaf Ali             2 - 1   Paul Waters
Tom Williams    2 - 0   Alan Doherty
Ben Muir           2 - 0   Tony Scoglio
Jaz Thapar       2 - 0   James Bound
Ravi Sundar     2 - 0   Les Edwards

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KEYS UNDONE

Cross Keys 6 - 7 Red Lion B

A close fought game, which the Lion just shaded, so the score reflects proceedings pretty well. So many of the frames seemed to hinge on just one tiny error or piece of luck one way or the other.

B Viner 1-2 S Clarke
P Hearne 1-2 S Doyle
M Hearne 0-2 M Morley
K Withers 2-1 A Schwietzer
S Keep 2-0 R Wheeler


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 i didnt c the first game but it was close and about an hour long but we won it 2-1 the second i heard doyle missed an easy black  then the other player just kept tucking up in the next 2 when there was chances to maybe clear up but we went on 2 win that one 2-1 so we was 4-2 up then mark went on and from what i c deserved to win it 2-0 by playing better than the other player so that made it 6-2 which i thought was a comfortable lead going into the last 2 matches then schweitzer went on made a few mistakes but come away with a 2-1 loss to make it 7-4 so the match was already won by ourselves with a nice lead going into the last and the way i played i might as well had not turnt up as i played ****e which capped off a week that was just shocking all over. in the first he started off well potting a few but looked like he hadnt planned to get on the next one after but some how did then i potted as well as missing pots then he got in done a good shot on his second last red and cleared up and deserved the 1st the second i done some good pots then misssed pots as well had he had potted some then the player starded tucking up  turned abit scrappy  then i played a shot that i thought was not a bad safety and he pulled off a brilliant pot  then potted an easy black so i didnt deserve  the frames  and went on to lose 2-0 so it finished 7-6 to the red lion but the game was already won by the 4th and glad schweitzer took a leg to win   the match



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commenting on mings statement                                                                                   
i play in the bicester league that has 10 teams in each of the three leagues  but they manage 2 get 2 leagues in a year period they also manage to play any rearranged games as well so i dont think that is an excuse.also waiting to the match day 2 cancel shouldnt be allowed exspecially as the snow as i stated came down 2 days earlier as was even worse then. if u wait till the day to cancel then in your statement how could u let the pub or club know earlier as u dont know yourself till the match day. i also would like to say y is it up to the captain to ring up the away captain to c if they r gonna go ahead with the match thats the whole point of haveing home and away advantage if your away and cant make it then u ring up the captain and they  should not have to chase about. and also our pub knows when which team is at home  and they go ahead with preparing the food and like i said if you r to cancel a game whether its the team i play in or somebody elses i dont think 2-3 hrs notice is acceptable as that is to close to the start of the match despite the captains rearrangeing it after then for another time my captain knows what i think about it i would rather play the match and lose it rather than take the points as well as the rest of the team would but i have had convosations with others and im just stateing if one team has to go by the rules then it should stand 4 every team. im not stateing that it shouldnt have  not been cancelled as i rang up mine to c if it was going ahead at 4.15 and he said it was i think it was right 4 the safety of others to b cancelled as i was hoping when i rang him for him to say it was . but all im saying as a person it would of been better 4 it to b cancelled b4 lunchtime(12 o clock) with 8hrs notice than just over 2.

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Theres just no time to have extra Thursdays to play rearranged games. There are a number of Thursday league competitions that also don't have defined dates to be played because of this.

I know i'm God but my powers do fall short of making the earth orbit the sun slower.....

If you look at the fixture list and when the presentation evening starts there is a Thursday league running 52 weeks of the year minus 2 weeks at christmas.

A number of us have moaned in the past about there being a Thursday league match the first Thursday in March (when county finals take place down in Selsey every year). We all have to rearrange our matches.

Last year, the team we were playing refused to rearrange it saying that the only night they could play between January and the end of the league was that night. I think Julian might have forced them to play it in the end........

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Mike i not sure what you are moaning as your game went on against us cricketers vs crown house that week and as for rearanngements i remember last season that the week of selsey i wanted to rearrange our match weeks before hand and you said your players could only make the night we were all away which could of cost us the league so maybe you should think about yourself before commenting on other peoples gamesconfuseconfuse

 



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 i didnt c the first game but it was close and about an hour long but we won it 2-1 (yes, it was very long. Baz missed a black in the middle, which he would have potted on any other day, then Steve potted two very difficult yellows to leave the easy black)  the second i heard doyle missed an easy black (yes, he did)  then the other player just kept tucking up in the next 2 when there was chances to maybe clear up (Phil did what he had to in those frames. There may have been chances to clear but Steve was on the black, so you have to err on the side of caution if you're not sure of the clearance) but we went on 2 win that one 2-1 so we was 4-2 up then mark went on and from what i c deserved to win it 2-0 by playing better than the other player (Matt definitely wasn't himself last night but Mark did play well) so that made it 6-2 which i thought was a comfortable lead going into the last 2 matches then schweitzer went on made a few mistakes (as did I. This game could have gone either way) but come away with a 2-1 loss to make it 7-4 so the match was already won by ourselves with a nice lead going into the last and the way i played i might as well had not turnt up as i played ****e which capped off a week that was just shocking all over. in the first he started off well potting a few but looked like he hadnt planned to get on the next one after but some how did then i potted as well as missing pots then he got in done a good shot on his second last red and cleared up and deserved the 1st the second i done some good pots then misssed pots as well had he had potted some then the player starded tucking up  turned abit scrappy  then i played a shot that i thought was not a bad safety and he pulled off a brilliant pot  then potted an easy black so i didnt deserve  the frames (a fair summary. Stez played some of the best pool he's played for a while even though we'd already lost, so that was a minor plus) and went on to lose 2-0 so it finished 7-6 to the red lion but the game was already won by the 4th and glad schweitzer took a leg to win   the match




 



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Mike i not sure what you are moaning as your game went on against us cricketers vs crown house that week and as for rearanngements i remember last season that the week of selsey i wanted to rearrange our match weeks before hand and you said your players could only make the night we were all away which could of cost us the league so maybe you should think about yourself before commenting on other peoples gamesconfuseconfuse

 That's not Mike, it's his brother! biggrin




 



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THEMASTERPIECE wrote:

Mike i not sure what you are moaning as your game went on against us cricketers vs crown house that week and as for rearanngements i remember last season that the week of selsey i wanted to rearrange our match weeks before hand and you said your players could only make the night we were all away which could of cost us the league so maybe you should think about yourself before commenting on other peoples gamesconfuseconfuse

 



Very good point Boinky, I remember that one and as I recall that was also a pretty suss claim coz Gee-man was ahead on most wins with one of their players close behind, and Gee nearly ended up losing Most Wins as a result of that claim against them. Thankfully fate intervened smile

 



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Minx wrote:

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Mike i not sure what you are moaning as your game went on against us cricketers vs crown house that week and as for rearanngements i remember last season that the week of selsey i wanted to rearrange our match weeks before hand and you said your players could only make the night we were all away which could of cost us the league so maybe you should think about yourself before commenting on other peoples gamesconfuseconfuse

 



Very good point Boinky, I remember that one and as I recall that was also a pretty suss claim coz Gee-man was ahead on most wins with one of their players close behind, and Gee nearly ended up losing Most Wins as a result of that claim against them. Thankfully fate intervened smile

 



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commenting on mings statement                                                                                   
i play in the bicester league that has 10 teams in each of the three leagues  but they manage 2 get 2 leagues in a year period they also manage to play any rearranged games as well so i dont think that is an excuse.also waiting to the match day 2 cancel shouldnt be allowed exspecially as the snow as i stated came down 2 days earlier as was even worse then. if u wait till the day to cancel then in your statement how could u let the pub or club know earlier as u dont know yourself till the match day. i also would like to say y is it up to the captain to ring up the away captain to c if they r gonna go ahead with the match thats the whole point of haveing home and away advantage if your away and cant make it then u ring up the captain and they  should not have to chase about. and also our pub knows when which team is at home  and they go ahead with preparing the food and like i said if you r to cancel a game whether its the team i play in or somebody elses i dont think 2-3 hrs notice is acceptable as that is to close to the start of the match despite the captains rearrangeing it after then for another time my captain knows what i think about it i would rather play the match and lose it rather than take the points as well as the rest of the team would but i have had convosations with others and im just stateing if one team has to go by the rules then it should stand 4 every team. im not stateing that it shouldnt have  not been cancelled as i rang up mine to c if it was going ahead at 4.15 and he said it was i think it was right 4 the safety of others to b cancelled as i was hoping when i rang him for him to say it was . but all im saying as a person it would of been better 4 it to b cancelled b4 lunchtime(12 o clock) with 8hrs notice than just over 2.



Any chance of using the education that iI assume you received and use paragraphs and punctuation in your postings.......

 



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replying to god if there aint any spare thursday then fair enough but i think that first week after the final game was comps nite so what is wrong in playing a rearranged game on that nite if u cant play another day the trophys could still be sorted out  just leave the engraveing off if it affects that league as long as the game is played fairly it shouldnt matter



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Nothing personal about my wanting u to use paragraphs, just that trying to read your seemingly 100 word postings in one go is a lttle hard for us oldies, our eyes ain't as good as they used to be.

On your other point; re comps night, what happens if players from the re-arranging teams are playing in said comp or the venue is being used for it ?

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then i suppose like someone commented on one of my posts there should be enough players ie stand in ones and then the league could check b4 the comps could go ahead  or both teams could just decide on a mutal venue central to both teams whether your at home or away its only a game of pool or just play it at the other teams venue

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jackpotwheeler wrote:

then i suppose like someone commented on one of my posts there should be enough players ie stand in ones and then the league could check b4 the comps could go ahead  or both teams could just decide on a mutal venue central to both teams whether your at home or away its only a game of pool or just play it at the other teams venue



You should be a politician with double standards like that; Players from the other team who may be playing in competitions should be replaced by "stand ins" so that the re-arranged match can be played but, due to kids, aunt sally, washing your hair or missus saying NO, you can't play on another night other than a Thursday.

Well perhaps your "stand ins" can play on another night? But of course you wouldn't want to use "stand ins" as that would weaken your chances of winning...

hmmm!

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reguarding standins ming we only have the bare 5 at the mo and did so last season as well and i bring another player from bicester i cant play on another nite at the moment so if i drive then thats 2 of us out of the team anyway. if my captain wanted to play a rearranged game on another nite then thats fine but he also knows he will have to find 2 players as well as i cant do another nite. if we had the stand ins there then i think my captain would use them as we play as a team and if one of us loose a game then we useually get dropped and the other player does come in but the last 2 seasons we have been unlucky that we have not had the player to be able to do that

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To join the league each team has to have a minimum of 7 players signed on I do believe.

Does this mean your team should forfeit the game for clearly flouting league rules? Were the 6th and 7th players on your registration form listed as Joe Bloggs and John Doe?

-- Edited by GOD on Monday 18th of January 2010 03:18:01 PM

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Dear Julian

Please can you send us a copy of the Rules in "braille" form as we can't read or a length of rope so we can hang ourselves..

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-- Edited by MING on Monday 18th of January 2010 03:10:25 PM

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