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World rules is rubbish. Surely pool is about potting balls not making deliberate fouls.

Such a gay game which suits people that can't pot balls

I'm suprised everyone is getting so emotional about a one off game. Personally I thought we dominated the game, I can only think of two more racks which the keys lost, which they could have won. I still thought it was a good game, played in good spirit (as it always is against the keys)! Anyway like a football match its a game of opinions so not suprised they differ.

Karl - Suggesting the keys table had nothing to do with the result in our first match this season is wrong. You deserved to win that match no doubt, however it is not a one off that teams stuggle on your table, it is very different to other tables in both size and pockets and therefore clearly has an impact on the scorelines.

With regard to the county arguments, the keys team had 2 county players and we had 3, hardly unbalanced. Although Tim was not able to make the game, he certainly is county standard and I believe would qualify if he trialled (Stez would have a good shot as well)!

Rob - Not a good idea and impossible to implement! You will be pleased to know that at the moment we will not be playing any county players in our TKO match, as they will all be away that weekend representing Oxfordshire at national finals!

Keys - good luck for saturday and sunday, I'm sure you'll give them both a good game!

Oxpac wrote:

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I'm suprised everyone is getting so emotional about a one off game. Personally I thought we dominated the game, I can only think of two more racks which the keys lost, which they could have won. I still thought it was a good game, played in good spirit (as it always is against the keys)! Anyway like a football match its a game of opinions so not suprised they differ.

Karl - Suggesting the keys table had nothing to do with the result in our first match this season is wrong. You deserved to win that match no doubt, however it is not a one off that teams stuggle on your table, it is very different to other tables in both size and pockets and therefore clearly has an impact on the scorelines.

With regard to the county arguments, the keys team had 2 county players and we had 3, hardly unbalanced. Although Tim was not able to make the game, he certainly is county standard and I believe would qualify if he trialled (Stez would have a good shot as well)!

Rob - Not a good idea and impossible to implement! You will be pleased to know that at the moment we will not be playing any county players in our TKO match, as they will all be away that weekend representing Oxfordshire at national finals!

Keys - good luck for saturday and sunday, I'm sure you'll give them both a good game!

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Yes, opinions do differ......so perhaps we'll just agree to disagree on a few things. Anyway, there's certainly no hard feelings on my part as the game was indeed played in a very good spirit.

Personally, I think that on our day any of the Keys could be good enough for the county. What we lack (well, me for sure) is consistency. My last two frames were a perfect illustration of this.

Good luck to you too for the rest of the season. We'll certainly do our best to derail the Midget's title bid on Sunday

 

Which rule is that then? Not having played WR, i'm not 100% au fait with them.......

Anyway, I wasn't saying that nobody's allowed an opinion. I'm just saying that your opinion must be backed up by some sort of logical thinking........surely?

Oh I do love a good read....

You gotta love Peanut.... remind us which County Team you play for; A, B, C ?

Joking aside, IMO these days being a County player says less about your playing ability and more about your availability to play. What with job and family commitments you tend to find that only 50% of a Counties best players actually play County Pool and a lesser percentage than that play all the matches.

It could be argued that a county player should beat a non county player and that would probably bear out over a number of frames, but you must remember that Sundays matches ae "one frame", even county is "one frame" pool and so it doesn't necessarily work out that way. Just like Joe Average playing Tiger Woods at golf, winning one hole's a possibility, but beating him over 18...

The Keys table size is again IMO a red-herring used to justify a perceived bad result. Unless players continually play on their "home table" and by that I mean 6/7 days a week, 3/4 hrs per day then you can't really say that someone has a table avantage. I find that playing on the Keys table makes you concentrate more on your shots as you can't cheat the pocket as you can on the bigger tables which in turn makes it harder to clear up as your positional play has to be a lot more precise.

The DF in W/R's is another red-herring. Like the tactical foul or skill shot in BB, it's rarely used in a normal game. I find the 2 shots carried the biggest restraint against going for a dodgy clearance (not that I'm often inclined) as Joe Average can just keep the 2 shots until the end to move a bad ball and if there's no hard shots at all then its probably frame over if you give away a foul in attempting to break out balls during your dodgy clearance.

-- Edited by MING on Tuesday 15th of February 2011 03:00:58 PM

Fitzharris Arms	13	V	2	Cross Keys B
Midget C	12	V	3	Peachcroft 'A'
Oracle 'A'	9	V	6	Red Lion 'A' (Drayton)
Wootton Royal British Legion	6	V	9	Crown House Club (Oxford)
Kennington Social Club 'A'	10	V	5	Wheatsheaf (Didcot)

	Premier Section League Table
Pos	Team	Pld	W	L	For	Agn	Diff +/-	Pts
1st	Fitzharris Arms	15	12	3	134	91	43	134
2nd	Midget C	16	11	5	132	108	24	132
3rd	Oracle 'A'	15	6	9	111	114	-3	108
4th	Wootton Royal British Legion	15	5	10	94	131	-37	94
	Section One League Table
Pos	Team	Pld	W	L	For	Agn	Diff +/-	Pts
1st	Crown House Club (Oxford)	15	10	5	136	89	47	136
2nd	Kennington Social Club 'B'	14	8	6	117	93	24	117
3rd	Red Lion 'A' (Drayton)	15	9	6	116	109	7	116
4th	Cross Keys B	14	8	6	111	99	12	111
5th	Wheatsheaf (Didcot)	15	5	10	104	121	-17	104
6th	Kennington Social Club 'A'	14	5	9	89	121	-32	89
7th	Peachcroft 'A'	14	2	12	71	139	-68	71

I'll be honest GOD my stats have been rather embarresing this year for county compared to last season, but it's the big events I perform in

if you look at last season your see I only lost 3 games in the whole tournament!

Let's just see what happens first

I just know I have to win my games on Sunday otherwise I will look a bit silly

Crown House 9 - 6 Cross Keys

A valiant fight back from 4-1 down to level the match at 6-6 wasn't quite enough as we ran out of steam last night and the Crown House took the spoils. Best performance from us in a long time as well. Well played, Crown House......the league is yours to lose now I think.

D Durham
T Gaughan
A Penny-Larter
J Saczak
S Taylor
M Hearne

T Keep
K Withers
B Viner
C Viner
S Keep

I think it was Ash who played the last frame but it might have been Matt. I didn't see it, so I can't remember. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

Bring on the Midget tonight. Peanut - we have your entrance music ready. Queen - Another One Bites the Dust

 

 

x keys 8 midget c 7 well played keys our county player 2 out of 3 also congratulations to fitz/demos on retaining the premiership title and to us on keeping hold of our runners up trophy heres hoping

Oracle A 8 - 7 Peachcroft A.

Super Midget CCCC wrote:

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County player fails to impress!!!

As you will probably soon hear from the cross keys report on tonights match, I failed to win 3/3! I did manage 2/3 but was beaten in the first match by Charli who played some good stuff, although did get a little lucky on her last shot but I should of potted the black before, but I think I was still suffering shock from the cost of a pint of coke ( £3!! )

Other than that the keys played well, although they do have the advantage of playing on a fisher price pool table

match result: keys 8-7 midget

Well played lads and great food laid on as well

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Full results below:

C Viner   Peanut
B Viner   Danny
T Keep   Pete
K Withers   Fulla
S Keep   Ciaran

B Viner   Danny
C Viner   Peanut
T Keep   Fulla
S Keep   Pete
K Withers   Tashy

B Viner   Pete
S Keep   Ciaran
T Keep   Peanut
K Withers   Fulla
R Mayor-Jones   Danny

Supersub Roland saved the day last night when the Midget looked set to snatch it! It was a close run thing all night and that last frame was the only time we were actually in front. To be fair I thought Peanut played very well - especially under all the the self imposed pressure. No 3/3 though - is that county place deserved I wonder  As usual the crap table claims are surfacing again - a shame

Most of all though, I was glad that we finally ended our 7 game losing streak. Come on, the Keys!

I don't know if any one from the Village Inn Berinsfield reads this forum but if they do I just want to say how hospitable they made us feel last night. It was a lovely table to play on, a friendly atmosphere and the landlord was a top bloke refusing to take any money for the coffee I was on due to driving. Oh top food also.

If Crown House finish on more points than the Fitz do we get given the Prem Trophy and they get the Section 1 trophy.... ?!

DocJ wrote:

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the apprentice wrote:

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If Crown House finish on more points than the Fitz do we get given the Prem Trophy and they get the Section 1 trophy.... ?!

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Why not?!

Seems there's a bit of an imbalance between the top two div's anyway if you ask me. The 3rd and 4th placed teams in the Prem would only come in 7th and 9th in an amalgamated table as it currently stands. Would it hurt to review which teams play where over the summer?

For example, Wootton RBL (who i'm not knocking in any way here) did a fantastic job of pinching the Section One title last season........but this season's team isn't the same team as last season's team. Perhaps it would have been fairer to them to put them in a lower section, and fairer for another team to be higher up? Ming's always threatening to bump teams up a section if they sign on too many top notch players - maybe it should also work in reverse if a team loses too many of it's top players?

 

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You really do talk out of your ass at times...

Firstly, I'm not going to offer a response to Jamies question as it is obvious to all, except maybe you Docj, what the answer IS..

Secondly, as has been pointed out before, I have all the stats prom the previous season and for the most part, allocate teams/sections depending who registers for whom on the registration form. However, this is not an exact science as new players come along during the season who may, considerably, improve a team (more on that later). But, teams who finish top/bottom of their respective Sections will be promoted/relegated before anything else is considered to ensure that no team, (Premier Section excepted) can continually win the same section.
As for the current season, 4 out of the 6 regular players that Wootton have used this season played in the winning side last season. Yes they may have lost Jamie and Luke but more than 50% of the winning side remained therefore they were promoted as normal, much in the same way that the Oracle weren't demoted when the Midget 'C' team was formed as 50% of the Oracle team remained although, on paper, the Midget team were better.

You cannot allocate teams based on an assumption that they may have a better or worse season than the one before, the one after or based on how good/bad a team looks on paper. Why bother having a league at all, lets just give out the trophies to who's likely to win them and not bother playing any pool....

Back to the point about players improving teams; It is in the League Rules whereby the League can refuse a player registration due to said player seriously imbalancing a section, in reality, this would take 2/3 players and would more than likely only involve teams outside Premier/Section One. However, should a Section One team register 2/3 County A Team standard players after the season commences then, in this instance the League has the ability to either refuse the player(s) registration or to move said team into the Premier Section if the League decides that they would have been allocated a Premier place if those players where registered at the appropriate time. (This can only really happen in Prem/Sec One as the teams all lay each other but does mean that one side would be demoted, so it would be a last resort)

I do monitor registrations and as such the CHC were warned about ths prior to their allocation into Section One...

Finally, new teams/teams splitting/changing venues does create problems and almost every season sees a team(s) in the wrong section, however if that team stay together for more than one season they tend to find their way into the correct section for their ability