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MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

RE: Who'll win the 2010/11 Abingdon League?

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Beefy wrote:
Unlike the Mighty Keys to now list a full report.......bring back Karl with his headlines
Unfortnately our result was down to Newtableitis as we had super springy cushions with fluffy carpet cloth. Coupled with comeback after 3 years players and some who were new to the Rules, we did ok.

Overall standard of pool was shocking and quite comical at times. The score could easily have been 12-3 either way rather than the 8-7 Keys win which both teams were probably happy with in the end

jamesyboy · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

Beefy wrote:

jamesyboy wrote:

We (Kennington B) beat our A side 12-3

Beefy
Boinky
Gee
Mark
Me (should of got 2 but fluffed a sitter)

James we usually put the opposition stats up as well but as you didn't here they are

Milhouse
Simon winters
Ian Gordon (the last is the one ?Ian missed the black and should have won)
Mark Morely
C. Heal (Mark's lad)

my bad.

8ballpotter · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

MING wrote:

LOL talk about blowing your own trumpets.....
Hang on a minute, blowing our trumpets? i dont recall coming on here being all big headed about our team?Anyway i was responding to Marks comment/attack on our team basically accusing us of fieding any tom,dcik & harry that happened to be in the crown house when in fact we had gone down the proper channels & registered a legal team to enter the league, which section we were put in is down to you.

Having been around for a few years I think I know who's **** hot, pretty good, average or not so hot.

There's no point arguing that because a player(s) play in the Premier Section of an Oxford League that they must be forced to play in the Premier Section of the Abingdon League as;
Well everyone keeps banging on about Oxford being stronger than Abingdon so obviously you would expect an oxford prem player to be more than good enough for the Abingdon prem?

(1) The Oxford Leagues' Sections tend to be bigger ie. 10-12 teams whilst the Abingdon Premier Section consists of 4 teams (it may change if the overall quality of enough teams improve markedly)

(2) We still play single frame pool which give the lesser payers a better chance of winning frames, whereas the Oxford leagues' play best of 3/5 frame individual matches which favour the better player. I agree...

(3) the Premier/Secton One is a split division so at the end of the season things tend to show who's in the correct section and who's not. Incidentally, Kennington (Section One Runners-up) finished on 123 points, which was 1 less point than Cross Keys 'B' who were relegated from the Premier Section.

Now, without being disrespectful to those players I'm gonna mention;

Crown House; All of their players rate average to above average as do Beefy's team. Yes one or two may perform well over a season in one league or another but none of them are consistantly in the later stages of the various Singles competitions or at the top of the Most Wins charts season after season. (upon which I base 70% of my opinion of who's who).
1) These players are new to Abingdon league so therefore haven't yet played for most wins/single comps etc.
2) These players would of been playing Oxford league thus entering the singles & playing for most wins in a Stronger league but still in a top section plus its harder to reach the later stages of comps due to the amount of " **** hot, pretty good," players in oxford compared to Abingdon?
Zola is off to uni and as Matty has said, I'll be making sure that "top" players aren't being used by them otherwise they will be shifted into the Premier Section
We dont intend to use "top" players, we want a basic side of 5 players to play 3 frames every week & one to fill in for Holidays ect & now you know who our regular players will be now!
Kennington 'B'; as one Kennington team they were Runners-up in Section One and even though they split into two teams this season, they've not improved suffiently to warrant jumping above Wootton RBL (Section One Winners), taking their place in the Premier Section.

Kennington 'A; The team that played on Sunday is only part of the team that registered with the league, that said there's no reason to believe that they're not still good enough for Section One as I tipped Beefy's team to win that Section, so a heavy defeat by them isn't that surprising.
At the end of the day im just looking to defend us from people like Mark who intend to "have a go" for no reason & i dont like being told we never did things fairly....
strange how we haven't heard from Mark since his comments huh?.........

Let the pool do the talking

Oxpac · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

Must say I'm suprised at some of the names wanting to play in the Abingdon league, however I think it is great as it will raise the standard! Will be interesting to see if all those suprise names will be playing week in, week out. Overall it is a great compliment to the Abingdon league and the way it is run. My only concern would be for players looking to play in both leagues on the same night, I for one as captain will not be accomodating changes of order for players who play in both leagues!

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

8ballpotter wrote:
LOL talk about blowing your own trumpets.....
Hang on a minute, blowing our trumpets? i dont recall coming on here being all big headed about our team?Anyway i was responding to Marks comment/attack on our team basically accusing us of fieding any tom,dcik & harry that happened to be in the crown house when in fact we had gone down the proper channels & registered a legal team to enter the league, which section we were put in is down to you.

Matty, you really have to learn not to take postings personally, I was on about people thinking that just because they play in an Oxford League Premier side that they should automaically be an Abingdon Premier player.

Having been around for a few years I think I know who's **** hot, pretty good, average or not so hot.

There's no point arguing that because a player(s) play in the Premier Section of an Oxford League that they must be forced to play in the Premier Section of the Abingdon League as;
Well everyone keeps banging on about Oxford being stronger than Abingdon so obviously you would expect an oxford prem player to be more than good enough for the Abingdon prem?

Again you miss the point(s) as per below. If you're the 8th team in an Oxford 10 Team Premier Section you can't be in the Abingdon Premier Divison automatically because our Premier Section is smaller

(1) The Oxford Leagues' Sections tend to be bigger ie. 10-12 teams whilst the Abingdon Premier Section consists of 4 teams (it may change if the overall quality of enough teams improve markedly)

(2) We still play single frame pool which give the lesser payers a better chance of winning frames, whereas the Oxford leagues' play best of 3/5 frame individual matches which favour the better player. I agree...

(3) the Premier/Secton One is a split division so at the end of the season things tend to show who's in the correct section and who's not. Incidentally, Kennington (Section One Runners-up) finished on 123 points, which was 1 less point than Cross Keys 'B' who were relegated from the Premier Section.

Now, without being disrespectful to those players I'm gonna mention;

Crown House; All of their players rate average to above average as do Beefy's team. Yes one or two may perform well over a season in one league or another but none of them are consistantly in the later stages of the various Singles competitions or at the top of the Most Wins charts season after season. (upon which I base 70% of my opinion of who's who).
1) These players are new to Abingdon league so therefore haven't yet played for most wins/single comps etc.
2) These players would of been playing Oxford league thus entering the singles & playing for most wins in a Stronger league but still in a top section plus its harder to reach the later stages of comps due to the amount of " **** hot, pretty good," players in oxford compared to Abingdon?

My opinion on who's who takes into account both Abingdon and Oxford Leagues, therefore if you'd signed on better players, regardless if they had/had not played in the Abingdon League previously, you would have been in the Premier Section which, in turn, may have been enlarged to accommodate the better standard of teams...

Zola is off to uni and as Matty has said, I'll be making sure that "top" players aren't being used by them otherwise they will be shifted into the Premier Section
We dont intend to use "top" players, we want a basic side of 5 players to play 3 frames every week & one to fill in for Holidays ect & now you know who our regular players will be now!
Kennington 'B'; as one Kennington team they were Runners-up in Section One and even though they split into two teams this season, they've not improved suffiently to warrant jumping above Wootton RBL (Section One Winners), taking their place in the Premier Section.

Kennington 'A; The team that played on Sunday is only part of the team that registered with the league, that said there's no reason to believe that they're not still good enough for Section One as I tipped Beefy's team to win that Section, so a heavy defeat by them isn't that surprising.

At the end of the day im just looking to defend us from people like Mark who intend to "have a go" for no reason & i dont like being told we never did things fairly....
strange how we haven't heard from Mark since his comments huh?.........

Let the pool do the talking

Milhouse tends to waffle on, and on, and on etc etc etc. I'm sure the Bar Billiards season will start soon so he can return to his ilk.....

So my post was to answer his perceived possible unfairness of his and Beefy's team of being in the same Section

Milhouse · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

8ballpotter wrote:

MING wrote:

LOL talk about blowing your own trumpets.....
Hang on a minute, blowing our trumpets? i dont recall coming on here being all big headed about our team?Anyway i was responding to Marks comment/attack on our team basically accusing us of fieding any tom,dcik & harry that happened to be in the crown house when in fact we had gone down the proper channels & registered a legal team to enter the league, which section we were put in is down to you.

At the end of the day im just looking to defend us from people like Mark who intend to "have a go" for no reason & i dont like being told we never did things fairly....
strange how we haven't heard from Mark since his comments huh?.........

Let the pool do the talking

Not having a go at you or "attacking" your team. I was just surprised that the team you fielded on Sunday was a section one team where, IMO, you are a stronger team than that.

Now Ming has clarified how he rates people, that is fine. I trust his judgement and opinion.

Milhouse · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

MING wrote:

Milhouse tends to waffle on, and on, and on etc etc etc. I'm sure the Bar Billiards season will start soon so he can return to his ilk.....

So my post was to answer his perceived possible unfairness of his and Beefy's team of being in the same Section

You are correct there, Bar Billiards starts soon, so i can leave you all alone wink

8ballpotter · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

Milhouse wrote:

Not having a go at you or "attacking" your team. I was just surprised that the team you fielded on Sunday was a section one team where, IMO, you are a stronger team than that.
O.k fair enough maybe i over reacted & yes i agree i to expected us to be put into the prem i did think Ming was going to extent the prem this year?

Now Ming has clarified how he rates people, that is fine. I trust his judgement and opinion.
As do i.........

Manse · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

Why not scrap the split division...

-- Edited by Manse on Tuesday 21st of September 2010 02:21:40 PM

Manse · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

Oxpac wrote:

Must say I'm suprised at some of the names wanting to play in the Abingdon league, however I think it is great as it will raise the standard! Will be interesting to see if all those suprise names will be playing week in, week out. Overall it is a great compliment to the Abingdon league and the way it is run. My only concern would be for players looking to play in both leagues on the same night, I for one as captain will not be accomodating changes of order for players who play in both leagues!

Bit harsh

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Depending on how well Crown House, Kennington 'B' and/or other teams do with regards to the rest of Section One and assuming that they re-enter the League with a team of a similar standard, we will no doubt consider increasing the Premier Section to 5 Teams.

However as I pointed out earlier, last season Beefy's team were the 6th best team in a 9 Team Premier/One split Section and based on my opinion Crown House are no better, on paper, than Beefy's team, so neither could claim to have an automatic right to be in the Premier Section this season...

Milhouse's team, on the otherhand, could argue that they should be in Section Two, based on the team that they put out on Sunday. However, this was not the team registered with me, hense their presence in Section One...

8ballpotter · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

MING wrote:

My opinion on who's who takes into account both Abingdon and Oxford Leagues, therefore if you'd signed on better players, regardless if they had/had not played in the Abingdon League previously, you would have been in the Premier Section which, in turn, may have been enlarged to accommodate the better standard of teams...

You can't be serious . There's clearly a difference of opinion here.

8ballpotter · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

Oxpac wrote:

Must say I'm suprised at some of the names wanting to play in the Abingdon league, however I think it is great as it will raise the standard! Will be interesting to see if all those suprise names will be playing week in, week out. Overall it is a great compliment to the Abingdon league and the way it is run. My only concern would be for players looking to play in both leagues on the same night, I for one as captain will not be accomodating changes of order for players who play in both leagues!

Just for the record none of the crown players play for a team in Oxford Sunday League.

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Manse wrote:
Why not scrap the split division...

The split division was introduced to give those teams that consisted of not so ambitious local players who'd played in the same pub/club for years a chance of winning something against the ambitious teams who headhunt better players for their team even though they may live far away.

Personally, I think it works well and most years a different team wins something. Its ok getting your ass kicked by Man U, Chelski etc in the 20 Team Premier League when you're getting £40k a week for it....

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

8ballpotter wrote:
My opinion on who's who takes into account both Abingdon and Oxford Leagues, therefore if you'd signed on better players, regardless if they had/had not played in the Abingdon League previously, you would have been in the Premier Section which, in turn, may have been enlarged to accommodate the better standard of teams...

You can't be serious . There's clearly a difference of opinion here.

No! I think you're deluded if you think that you're allowed an opinion.......

YOU'RE NOT !!!

Manse · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

MING wrote:

Manse wrote:
Why not scrap the split division...
The split division was introduced to give those teams that consisted of not so ambitious local players who'd played in the same pub/club for years a chance of winning something against the ambitious teams who headhunt better players for their team even though they may live far away.

Personally, I think it works well and most years a different team wins something. Its ok getting your ass kicked by Man U, Chelski etc in the 20 Team Premier League when you're getting £40k a week for it....

I'm not saying it's a bad idea.

But you and Fletcher (Monday League) come across the same problem every year and have to defend your decision making.

Lets be honest Ace Face your recent decision on the 5th man for Rhyl was a bit dodgy to the say the least smile

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

8ballpotter wrote:
Just for the record none of the crown players play for a team in Oxford Sunday League.

So the truth is that the Oxford players want to play in the Abingdon League because they cant win anything in Oxford....

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Manse wrote:
  I'm not saying it's a bad idea.

But you and Fletcher (Monday League) come across the same problem every year and have to defend your decision making.

Lets be honest Ace Face your recent decision on the 5th man for Rhyl was a bit dodgy to the say the least

Can't speak for Ash, but I'm not defending my decision making, just explaining how I decide who goes where, for information purposes only...

And as for our 5th man, he brought home the Bacon....

The Pool Shark · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

I've run a split section for each of the ten seasons I've run the league. It's a difficult job to guarantee that it'll work perfectly - in fact only two of the ten seasons have worked out perfectly (2002/3 and 2007/8) and seen the bottom team in Section One get more points than the top team in Section Two.

However, over those ten seasons the highest place a Section Two team would have finished if they'd been in Section One is 4th - bearing in mind that's the highest position, I think that demonstates in itself that because of the gap in talent at the very top and the next level down, a split section in the Monday season (despite me having to defend it on occasions) IS the best solution in keeping the league competitive. I would imagine that the same situation applies with the Sunday Abingdon league.

As Kevin has said, teams make it more difficult for Secretary's by registering players that never, or only occasionally play.

-- Edited by The Pool Shark on Tuesday 21st of September 2010 03:46:16 PM

Beefy · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

Oxpac wrote:

Must say I'm suprised at some of the names wanting to play in the Abingdon league, however I think it is great as it will raise the standard! Will be interesting to see if all those suprise names will be playing week in, week out. Overall it is a great compliment to the Abingdon league and the way it is run. My only concern would be for players looking to play in both leagues on the same night, I for one as captain will not be accomodating changes of order for players who play in both leagues!

That seems reasonable to me as well at the end of the day players sign on to play. I have and always will if asked properly allow players to play in a different order for genuine reasons such as working, been away for the the day, holiday, family issues etc

PoolQueen · Ultimate Poster (1-0 up in a best of 7)

I agree with that too, you can't have players that want to play in both leagues as they'd be favoured: ie - they'd have to play first in one match and last in the other and if all 5 did that it would cause mayhem.

PoolQueen · Ultimate Poster (1-0 up in a best of 7)

MING wrote:

My opinion on who's who takes into account both Abingdon and Oxford Leagues, therefore if you'd signed on better players, regardless if they had/had not played in the Abingdon League previously, you would have been in the Premier Section

So if we have a crap season, I'll sign on 4/5 top pros next season to ensure we stay in the prem division. Doesn't mean they'd actually play. biggrin

underdog · Occasional Poster (Racking up the balls)

ooooooooow will you all just get a grip its pool do your talking on the table

Luckylewis · Even if you beat me I’m STILL THE BEST ;-)

underdog wrote:
ooooooooow will you all just get a grip its pool do your talking on the table

Hi UNDERDOG,

You have to state your FULL name or sorry your posts will be deleted, as there are no longer anonymous posters on here.

Luckylewis (Moderator)

PoolQueen · Ultimate Poster (1-0 up in a best of 7)

Luckylewis wrote:

underdog wrote:
ooooooooow will you all just get a grip its pool do your talking on the table

Hi UNDERDOG,

You have to state your FULL name or sorry your posts will be deleted, as there are no longer anonymous posters on here.

Luckylewis (Moderator)

Get out of our Sunday league thread Malcy, I know who underdog is. wink

Luckylewis · Even if you beat me I’m STILL THE BEST ;-)

underdog wrote:
ooooooooow will you all just get a grip its pool do your talking on the table

to the FORUM Barry/underdog

DocJ · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

underdog wrote:

ooooooooow will you all just get a grip its pool do your talking on the table

Well, well.......Baz.......fancy seeing you on here. We only need MoFo on here as well and we've got a full set of Keys biggrin

8ballpotter · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

Keys army...............Keys Army...........come on mofo join the party biggrin

8ballpotter · Veteran Poster (Potting like a demon)

underdog wrote:

ooooooooow will you all just get a grip its pool do your talking on the table

Anyway baz i've now got to change my signature as it looks like im refering to you!? blankstare