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Manse · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

RE: Summer League Results

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Manse wrote:
Can you quote the rules regarding pete's shot?

A player must make a bona fide attempt to play a legal shot, otherwise its loss of frame. The problem is that its down to the referee's opinion whether or not it is or is not a bona fide attempt.

At last years WC, in France vs South Africa match, this actually happened and the frame was given to the SA player as the referee deemed that because the french player had two balls in the open and attempted to move a ball on which he was snookered and missed; that he didn't attempt to play and "on" ball.

DocJ · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

MING wrote:
At last years WC, in France vs South Africa match, this actually happened and the frame was given to the SA player as the referee deemed that because the french player had two balls in the open and attempted to move a ball on which he was snookered and missed; that he didn't attempt to play and "on" ball.

I thought it would have been loss of frame for simply having two balls out in the open during a match - disgraceful behaviour biggrin

Seriously though, he must have missed it by a mile for a LOF foul to be called as a ball is on regardless of whether you're snookered on it or not - isn't it?

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Technically yes, but it's the referees opinion that counts and that's were the problem starts.

They should follow snookers lead and make it unambiguous; insofar that if you went for a ball on which you are snookered, when other balls are "directly" available and missed it then you'd lose the frame.

In snookers' case you get a warning after two misses that failing to hit a directly on ball a third time will result in the loss of the frame.

Beefy · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

Ming wants the miss rule brought in - oh dear god help us. I like it though win by three misses just like nine ball brings a whole new dimension to the game - lol

BURT · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

Is the minute rule in place yet?

THEMASTERPIECE · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

Beef are u suggesting that we have the white replaced if a miss is called its hard enough finding a good ref as it is with out this rubbish I say deliberate fouls should be allowed as everyone does them anyhow and it would stop all arguing anyway

Well done midget unlucky Crown house see you in winter league

Marc the minute rule will never happen its unfair to ask tash to cut his shot time by 9 minutes lol

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Beefy wrote:
Ming wants the miss rule brought in - oh dear god help us. I like it though win by three misses just like nine ball brings a whole new dimension to the game - lol

and how do you reach that conclusion and try getting it right; its 3 fouls in a row at 9 ball; not misses...

bigbossman · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

Ming you know as well as i do that the minute rule is used in finals at worlds ect so is it not time that its used in all finals? there is enough poeple around to use the clock

It will do away with one problem.!!!

I have always said that a player should always play ball on, if thay choose not too and miss they sould lose the frame.

Not sure if you remember i ask you some time ago about having this put forward and who to email with this???

I also know beefy did this one evening and told him if i was referee he woukld have lost the frame !!

DocJ · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

bigbossman wrote:
Ming you know as well as i do that the minute rule is used in finals at worlds ect so is it not time that its used in all finals? there is enough poeple around to use the clock

It will do away with one problem.!!!
And create many more! Everyone knows that if the minute rule was implemented, it would cause absolute chaos. There are so many instances that could lead to arguments that it wouldn't be worth the hassle it would cause. Also, you can't have one rule for a final and another rule for the other games. Either it's for all matches or none of them.

I have always said that a player should always play ball on, if thay choose not too and miss they sould lose the frame.
Of course you should attempt to play a ball on. Not to do so is loss of frame anyway! If you play it poorly and miss but make a genuine attempt at it, a normal foul is adequate. I hardly think a LOF foul should be called for any miss.

Not sure if you remember i ask you some time ago about having this put forward and who to email with this???
Are we making our own rules here? Surely we play to Blackball rules. We can't just amend them as we see fit

I also know beefy did this one evening and told him if i was referee he woukld have lost the frame !!

bigbossman · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

What you on doc. Everyone knows that if the minute rule was implemented, it would cause absolute chaos. Its already in the rules??

it would cause absolute chaos. Why if you know at the start its hard to work out!!

Also, you can't have one rule for a final and another rule for the other games

Again this happens at international levels all players are aware of it at the start, so dont see a problem with it!!

Are we making our own rules here? Surely we play to Blackball rules. We can't just amend them as we see fit confuse

No not making own rules, rules are changed in all sports so why is pool any different ??

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Whilst the minute rule is contained within the rules, it's generally only introduced if the Tournament Organiser or Referee of a particular match deem it necessary due to time constraints/slow play.

We inforced it durng the Open & Ladies Singles Finals last season, though only due to the time constraint.

As far as I'm aware Blackball only use it if matches are televised and EPA use it a most team tournaments..

DocJ, why you believe it'd cause more problems is confusing me...

Tim, I expect that any proposals to alter/change the Rules would go though the County, EBPF, EBA, and finally Blackball International; using each levels AGM to promote it.

bigbossman · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

Thanks for that kev I will be putting it forward.
As for the other thing it is always used in the finals at youth level on tv or not

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

COMEBACK SEES MIDGET RETAIN TITLE

Midget C retained their Summer Cup title after mammoth comeback from 1-5 down against Crown House A in Sundays Final.

The victorious Midget C Team - Pete Maconochie, Richard Saunders, Jamey Street, Simon Rowe©, Darren Fuller & Chris Webb (not shown) - wot a Motley Crew !!!

Overall, the match was a scrappy affair which, Jamey Street (Midget) apart, failed to do justice to either side. Matty Hearne got Crown House of to a good start beating Chris Webb 2-0 and Shaun Taylor shouldve gave them a 4-0 lead by beating Pete Maconochie by the same scoreline. But a missed black when leading 1-0 gave the Midget their first frame and get on the scoreboard. Taylor missed another black in the deciding frame but was let-off this time by a poorly performing Maconochie; 4-1 Crown House.

Luke Ingram won the opening frame of his match with Richard Saunders, giving the Crown House a commanding 5-1 lead. With the Crown House sensing victory and the Midget defeat, the pressure of the situation seemed to affect both players which resulted in them missing numerous chances. Saunders managed to hold it together long enough to win both the remaining frames and reduce the deficit; 5-3 Crown House.

Next up for the Midget was the recently crowned Singles Champion Jamey Street who blew away his opponent, Ash Penny-Larter, with two excellent clearances in what was the best performance of the night. To be honest, there was very little that Penny-Larter could do as Street levelled the scores at 5-5.

The deciding match featured the Midget Captain Simon Rowe and Crown Houses Jamie Saczek, the Singles Runner-up. In normal circumstances, Saczak wouldve been favourite, more attacking minded to Rowes, pools answer to Cliff Thorburn, methodical approach. However, Saczak seemed unsure of what tactics to use and never really forced Rowe out of his comfort zone by opening up his balls and forcing him to clear up in one visit, never his forte... Coupled with accidentally potting balls during safety exchanges, Saczak never had his opponent under pressure during the match and Rowe comfortly clinched the title with a 2-0 victory.

The other Midget teams failed to emulate the Cs as they narrowly lost their respective finals; Midget A 7-6 to Steventon B in the Summer Shield and Midget B; 7-4 to Cross Keys A in the Summer Medal.

In fact Midget A all but had the Shield won when they raced into a 6-2 lead with wins from Paul Garwood, Reid Havord and Roger Taylor, leaving them within a single frame of the title. However 2-0 wins for Ash Street and Steve Baker brought Steventon level at 6-6. Baker then won the extra frame to claim an unlikely victory.

In the Medal Final, Cross Keys A took an early 4-0 lead with wins from G. Jenkins and P. Wellman. Midget fought back with 2-1 wins from S. Fenton and Landlady Bev Vanstone to trail 4-6 leaving Jamie Bremner to force the extra frame if he could beat Ben Willoughby 2-0. But a good clearance by Willoughby in frame one secured the title for the Cross Keys.

Railway Inn B took the Summer Plate title with a 6-2 victory over Bowyer Arms B. The Bowyer won the open match with Rick Selby beat Railway Capt Dan Porter 2-0. It was to be their only frames of the night as 2-0 wins for Steve Reynolds, Chris Tame and Mick Burton over Rob Perkins Mike Wheeler and Andy Hyland respectively secured the title

Railways Mick Burton secures the Summer Plate for his team

Final Scores

Summer Cup

Midget C 7 vs 5 Crown House Club A

Summer Shield

Midget A 7 vs 8 Steventon Sports Club B

Summer Plate

DocJ · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

I know it's in the rules.....that's why I said implemented and not introduced. You really should read my posts before replying.

Me saying it would be chaos is only my opinion but surely someone else can see why? Going from a league where we can take as long as we like to play a shot (and I mean as long as we like - i've never seen anybody being told to hurry up!) to a league where we have a minute to play a shot will affect things no end. If you have a genuinely tricky situation for instance, which needs a lot of thought, people will be rushed in to playing shots and then blame the rule for the fact that they lose the frame. Or sometimes there may be timing issues which will cause yet more arguments. Not to mention the fact that some players (naming no names biggrin ) are genuinely slow and methodical players - their natural game may be aversely affected. Maybe if it was just for finals, it wouldn't be too bad but I don't see the point of that - either it's a rule that's used or it's not. Maybe we could trial it but just bringing it in accross the board would be unpopular i'm guessing?????

Finally, my comment about the rule change was meant purely to get accross the point that we can't change the rules for the whole sport. Of course rules change but like Kev said, it has to go through numerous levels for it to be officially accepted.

Beefy · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

MING wrote:
Beefy wrote:
Ming wants the miss rule brought in - oh dear god help us. I like it though win by three misses just like nine ball brings a whole new dimension to the game - lol
and how do you reach that conclusion and try getting it right; its 3 fouls in a row at 9 ball; not misses...
I did get it right if you miss the ball three times in a row thats 3 fouls - loss of frame.....

Crown SLAUGHTER House · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

Been on honeymoon and only just had chance to reply....

Congratulations Midget C on beating us in the summer cup final ( You gits) i thought we'd beat you after being 5-1 up when i left the oracle confuse never mind, takes a bigger man to accept defeat from that score line cry

Again well played, great comeback biggrin

Tashy · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

kev correct score line midget a 6 steventon sports club b 7