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8ball · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

RE: Rumour ?

The Chin · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

I don't know all of the people retained for this season but I think the following qualified for retention at follows:

Achieving 30 points or more in the season matches:

Kevin McIlroy, John Kinsey, Marcus Guise, Keith Hollis, Pete Mac, Tom Williams and Lee Brown-John.

Achieving 18 points and 55% at National Finals

Matty Challen, Lee Challis and Ben Scott.

Maybe the Committee could correct me if I am wrong, but it is just what I thought. (Don't quote me on it!!)

I think Kieran qualified via his youth stats? and Jamie from reaching the quarters of the Youth Nationals.

Just guessing though. John and Kev can probably tell you.

Beefy · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

The Chin wrote:

I don't know all of the people retained for this season but I think the following qualified for retention at follows:

Achieving 30 points or more in the season matches: Kevin McIlroy, John Kinsey, Marcus Guise, Keith Hollis, Pete Mac, Tom Williams and Lee Brown-John.

CORRECT - but include Jamey Street as well his points were adjusted down by 1/8 becuase of the Wiltshire fiasco in that the A's claimed the result.

Achieving 18 points and 55% at National Finals Matty Challen, Lee Challis and Ben Scott.

CORRECT AGAIN

I think Kieran qualified via his youth stats

CORRECT AGAIN - In addition though Mat Mahon also acheived the youth percentage I believe

Total people named here = 13 people

Looking at the current list of names I have for the mens squad I can see 3 others that did not trial and were awarded pre TRIALS wildcards.

Total retained = 16 so does that answer your comment 8 Ball

-- Edited by Beefy at 16:42, 2006-04-06

8ball · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

Beefy wrote:

I can see 3 others that did not trial and were awarded pre TRIALS wildcards.

Thats interesting, JFK has said there has only been 1 in the last 3 years. It will be interesting to know the reasons why the others were awarded.

The Chin · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

Not a bad guess then really!!

3 others were retained?

I think Jez had a retention due to having broken ribs on the day of the trials and making it impossible for him to trial. (pretty fair, I think).

At a guess I would say that Malcolm was retained due to England places etc.

Beefy · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

The Chin wrote:

Not a bad guess then really!! 3 others were retained? I think Jez had a retention due to having broken ribs on the day of the trials and making it impossible for him to trial. (pretty fair, I think).

Hope he recovers quick and is able to play pool soon.

At a guess I would say that Malcolm was retained due to England places etc.

I think your correct on this one to !

I think the other was Ash Penny Later on the basis of national finals but not sure on this one.

Like I said play, win, stay in

How did you get on at the finals and last season

8ball · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

The Chin wrote;I think Jez had a retention due to having broken ribs on the day of the trials and making it impossible for him to trial. (pretty fair, I think).

Fair on who, the players that had to go early due to work commitments, those who could not make it at all due to other reasons ? Would some of the other players that did not qualify have been retained in the same circumstances, I don`t think so.

His stats from last season and at the finals are not very impressive so why was he considered for a wild card ?

Barney · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

To be fair to the committee these 3 wildcards had been made public BEFORE the trials so any problems with them being issued should have been made to the committee when there was the option to do something about it, i.e. if necessary reconsider and inform the individual/s they would be required to attend the trials.

8ball · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

Barney wrote; To be fair to the committee these 3 wildcards had been made public BEFORE the trials

Made public where ?

Luckylewis · Even if you beat me I’m STILL THE BEST ;-)

The Chin wrote:

At a guess I would say that Malcolm was retained due to England places etc.

At last!!

somebody remembered your one and only record breaking ENGLAND International pool player for Oxfordshire “MEN”

......................................... looking forward to next/this season already.

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

8ball wrote:

The Chin wrote;I think Jez had a retention due to having broken ribs on the day of the trials and making it impossible for him to trial. (pretty fair, I think). Fair on who, the players that had to go early due to work commitments, those who could not make it at all due to other reasons ? Would some of the other players that did not qualify have been retained in the same circumstances, I don`t think so. His stats from last season and at the finals are not very impressive so why was he considered for a wild card ?

I recommended that Jez was given a wild card based on the fact that he was county number 1 the previous season. It's down to the Team Managers to pick the wildcards, so if you think they're wrong get elected and the you can pick your own.

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

8ball wrote:

Beefy wrote: I can see 3 others that did not trial and were awarded pre TRIALS wildcards. Thats interesting, JFK has said there has only been 1 in the last 3 years. It will be interesting to know the reasons why the others were awarded.

I think JFK is refering to post trial wildcards. Malcolm wasn't a wildcard as he's on the committee, who are all automatically retained.

hulio · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

MING wrote:

Malcolm wasn't a wildcard as he's on the committee, who are all automatically retained.

Kev any chance of being on the committee need a wildcard

Luckylewis · Even if you beat me I’m STILL THE BEST ;-)

hulio wrote:

Kev any chance of being on the committee JULIAN needs a wildcard

STOP IT

hulio · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

Please kev

kev if you have to many people on the committee can you let me know another way through the back door.

Im sure their must be some other ruling to let me in

LET ME THINK ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

-- Edited by hulio at 23:12, 2006-04-06

Milhouse · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

MING wrote:

Malcolm wasn't a wildcard as he's on the committee, who are all automatically retained.

I think you will find that this is no longer true, wasn't it brought in last year that committee members still had to trial ?

Barney · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

8ball wrote:

Barney wrote; To be fair to the committee these 3 wildcards had been made public BEFORE the trials Made public where ?

Good question! I thought I read it on here somewhere but must have heard it in conversation.

The Chin · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

8ball wrote: Made public where ?

At the AGM held the day before trials. You know, the one that no-one bothered to go to in order to get their opinions put forward!!

It sounds like you want a letter sent with the minutes from the AGM to every current, previous and possible future member of the OCPF.

Get a grip guys.

IT IS EASY!!.......GO TO THE AGM!!!!!!!!

Julian, I am sure there must be a place on the committee for you somewhere! How about website secretary or something similar?? If there isn't enough room on the committee now, go along next year and Propose another position. Then just get elected into that role, and you are away!!

8ball · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

So being the top player from previous seasons is also a reason to be given a wild card.

Jez was given a wild card prior to the trials because he was considered to be good enough due to having a good season some time before and could not trial, Tom was not given one prior to trials but after failing to qualify was given a wild card because he is considered too good to leave out, was he not good enough before ?

The Chin wrote; It sounds like you want a letter sent with the minutes from the AGM to every current, previous and possible future member of the OCPF.

Are the minutes of the Committee meeting available, could they not be posted on here ?

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Milhouse wrote:

MING wrote: Malcolm wasn't a wildcard as he's on the committee, who are all automatically retained. I think you will find that this is no longer true, wasn't it brought in last year that committee members still had to trial ?

err.........................................................no!

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

8ball wrote:

So being the top player from previous seasons is also a reason to be given a wild card.

Yes, in my opinion, so when you become the county number 1 in the future you may get a wildcard too and i think the words are considered for, not given .........................................................2010?

8ball also wrote:

Tom was not given one prior to trials but after failing to qualify was given a wild card because he is considered too good to leave out, was he not good enough before ?

Yes, but as he had not played for us before it was felt that it was better to make him trial. No-one expected him to have an off day, as did many others. But as has been said before , "trials are not necessarily the best way to achieve the best team 100% of the time, especially playing 1 frame matches."

Personally i'd have given both Tom and Nathan wildcards, but John in trying to be fair decided against. However if he had've done, no doubt that the same lost souls would be complaining about that instead.

8ball also wrote:

Are the minutes of the Committee meeting available, could they not be posted on here ?

Which meeting?

hulio · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

8ball wrote:

So being the top player from previous seasons is also a reason to be given a wild card.

If Thats the case Surely my record at bridlington in 2003 must warrant me a wild card played 8 won 8.

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Milhouse wrote:

So with all these new rules about giving wildcard places, if someone like Tim Williamson or Brian Carroll came along half way through this season and said they would like to play, they would be given a wildcard place ?

Halfway through the season, no. Before, a reasonable chance of being considered (it's that word again) for a Wildcard. No doubt you'd moan about that, but probably not as much if they knocked you out of the trials and we put them in anyway.

That said, all persons being considered for a wildcard have to convince the committee of their committment and desire to play, it's not the case of just plucking names out of the air and asking them to play county.

So, the moral of the story is; become a bloody good player and you'll get treated in the same way......................................possibily

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

hulio wrote:

8ball wrote: So being the top player from previous seasons is also a reason to be given a wild card. If Thats the case Surely my record at bridlington in 2003 must warrant me a wild card played 8 won 8.

Get the grammer right...................

"If Thats the case Surely my record at bridlington in 2003 must warrant me being considered for a wild card played 8 won 8"

But shirley you where a youth, that long ago

Luckylewis · Even if you beat me I’m STILL THE BEST ;-)

MING wrote:

Malcolm wasn't a wildcard as he's on the committee, who are all automatically retained.

I know that I am a great

committee man, I knew I was retained for some reason.

8ball · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

jfk wrote; Post trial wildcards now have to go before a committee vote and it only takes 1 objection from any member of that committee to stop it. So as for mates being picked ... they'd have to be very good mates of a wide range of people. Get your facts straight

This meeting !

Ming wrote; Yes, in my opinion, so when you become the county number 1 in the future you may get a wildcard too and i think the words are considered for, not given

No the word was GIVEN or has this wildcerd not been given ? Reguardless of how good he was a year ago he did not gain enough points to be retained and does not seem to have done anything in the last year to suggest that he should have been.

Ming wrote;

Yes, but as he had not played for us before it was felt that it was better to make him trial. No-one expected him to have an off day, as did many others. But as has been said before , "trials are not necessarily the best way to achieve the best team 100% of the time, especially playing 1 frame matches."

It is quite obvious that you didn`t expect him to not qualify but at the end of the day he didn`t and that should have been end of story. You can use all the excuses you want but it should be the same for every one that attends the trials be it 1 frame or 3. Its not like he just played 1 frame and the other player got lucky, he played 6 or 7 frames and lost 4 of them. The reality is Tom was on a no loose gamble. If, as you have been saying since that you think so hightly of him then he should have been given the wild card pre-trials then it would not have caused a problem

-- Edited by 8ball at 16:15, 2006-04-07

-- Edited by 8ball at 16:17, 2006-04-07

hulio · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

8 Ball Wrote So being the top player from previous seasons is also a reason to be given a wild card.

Hulio Wrote: If Thats the case Surely my record at bridlington in 2003 must warrant me a wild card played 8 won 8.

MING wrote:

Get the grammer right................... "If Thats the case Surely my record at bridlington in 2003 must warrant me being considered for a wild card played 8 won 8" But shirley you where a youth, that long ago

Nope not having it

Dont like being considered for wildcard i want one now. Any chance of a retrial

-- Edited by hulio at 15:52, 2006-04-07

Luckylewis · Even if you beat me I’m STILL THE BEST ;-)

hulio wrote:

Nope not having it Dont like being considered for wildcard i want one now.

I want!! I want"" I want""

Mr. McIlroy makes me

8ball · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

Hulio wrote; Dont like being considered for wildcard i want one now. Any chance of a retrial

Try a change of postcode, that might help

The Chin · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

89 posts now on this topic. Very good going!

Is it just me, or has no one else realised that the decision is going to stand, so move on.

I think next year Oxford should adopt the Berkshire selection method.

The Team Manager selects his A team. Then everyone else trials out for the B Team etc.

Surely that is even worse??!

Just out of interest, will 8ball and hulio go to trials next year? Will Millhouse play county?