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Luckylewis · Even if you beat me I’m STILL THE BEST ;-)

RE: Rumour ?

8ball · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

According to your earlier posts it only takes 1 against vote to prevent a post trials wild card from being awarded, this seems strange because I spoke to a member of the Committee just after Tom had been eliminated and was saying it was a bit of a shock, I then said to them that he would be allowed into the squad in some way and their reply was "not as long as I`m involved he won`t" The actual words used by the said person were " Not while I`m in charge he won`t"

Ming wrote;

So which is it; IN volved or IN charge. These excerpts are from your posting, so it would seem that it's you who can't make up you mind. Also as i commented in a previous posting (do keep up); it could equally indicate that said person was persuaded to change their view after reading the various arguements for and against the motion

The words used were "IN CHARGE", I used the word involved in the earlier posting as I felt it would give the person the chance to hold their hands up and admit it. Now I`ve used the words "in charge" I would have thought it makes it easier to elininate who it could be. Now theat person might get their head out of the sand, hold their hands up and admit to it themselves.

Ming wrote;Me, Malc, Beefy, JFK, Marcus, Shelley, Verity, Jaz

You should try reading the constitution yourself, No 15, The President is not an office holder within the OCPF or a member of the Committee.

Could it be that the wrong people have been voting on things that they shouldn`t be ? Surely the Secretary should know who`s on the Committee !

Ming wrote;The 'Post Trial Wildcard' rule has to be ratified at next years AGM before it can appear in the constitution.

The Committee shall have full authority, to make any decision that, in their opinion, is deemed necessary or beneficial to the Federation.

Like I said in an earlier post a few people doing what they like and using rules like this to justify it.

JFK · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

8 ball: "Like I said in an earlier post a few people doing what they like and using rules like this to justify it."

Yes very good 8 ball ... so why are we trying to close the loop holes you say we use to do what we like then? You seem to be defeating your own arguments!!

Original rule lets managers do what ever for more or less what ever reason.

New rule means managers have to go before the committee and there be no objections.

We're actually making wildcards harder, fairer and more open!!

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

8ball wrote:

The President is not an office holder within the OCPF or a member of the Committee. Could it be that the wrong people have been voting on things that they shouldn`t be ?

My apoligies for that error in typing. Malc never voted on the issue at hand

8ball wrote:

The Committee shall have full authority, to make any decision that, in their opinion, is deemed necessary or beneficial to the Federation. Like I said in an earlier post a few people doing what they like and using rules like this to justify it.

As this rule has been in the constitution since the creation of the OCPF many moons ago, it seems strange that it takes until you fail to qualify for the squad, before you have a problem with it. Neither did you complain about the revised retention rule. Perhaps that was because you might've been able to take advantage of it............but failed yet again

JFK · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

I'm surprised no one has started a poll on this!!

8ball · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

It`s hard to have a problem with something you don`t know about or have never seen .

As for the retention rule I have not said that I have a problem with it. As this topic suggests the problem is the awarding of a wild card to a player that tried and failed at the trials.

The new rule with awarding wild cards would seem to make it easier as 4 can now be awarded to the mens teams where as before it was only 2. Now when someone you would expect to qualify via the trials fails there`s always a "backdoor" entry.

-- Edited by 8ball at 16:21, 2006-04-13

JFK · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

8ball wrote:

2. Now when someone you would expect to qualify via the trials fails there`s always a "backdoor" entry. -- Edited by 8ball at 16:21, 2006-04-13

There always was!!!!

8ball · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

JFK wrote:

8ball wrote: 2. Now when someone you would expect to qualify via the trials fails there`s always a "backdoor" entry. -- Edited by 8ball at 16:21, 2006-04-13 There always was!!!!

Was this rule in the constitution or is it another one yet to be included or typed up ? If it was where was it ?

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

8ball wrote:

It`s hard to have a problem with something you don`t know about or have never seen . As for the retention rule I have not said that I have a problem with it. As this topic suggests the problem is the awarding of a wild card to a player that tried and failed at the trials. The new rule with awarding wild cards would seem to make it easier as 4 can now be awarded to the mens teams where as before it was only 2. Now when someone you would expect to qualify via the trials fails there`s always a "backdoor" entry. -- Edited by 8ball at 16:21, 2006-04-13

Where are you getting your figures from; 4 overall wildcards i accept, (nowhere does it say 4 can now be awarded to the mens teams), but where did the 2 come from. The actual figure was 5 when wildcards were introduced

The Chin · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

Luckylewis wrote:

Me biting don’t be silly, I’ll rather “smack your face in” than shake your hand ……… mate!!

If you come down to Cowley Community Centre tonight, I might be able to fit you in!!

The whole wild card situation is no different to that the Governing body use for the England Trial selection.

You can either QUALIFY for England trials by finishing in the top 10 in the region, OR you can be given a WILD CARD by your county.

YES YOU HEARD IT RIGHT!!...... you can get a WILD CARD to the England Trials even if you DON'T QUALIFY through the region.

I can't wait until Oxfordshire pick that one!!!!

I vote we give it to Tom Weeks!!

-- Edited by The Chin at 17:17, 2006-04-13

hulio · Veteran Poster (Pots the first red)

MING wrote:

Cowley Community Centre carpark 7.30pm Death Ray at the ready

Can't we make it 7.00pm in the car park have a game to play at 8.00pm need at least 55mins practise leaves me 5 mins to sort you lot out.

I hope you have bodyquards tonight because im supplying the body bags.

MING · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

8ball wrote:

Was this rule in the constitution or is it another one yet to be included or typed up ? If it was where was it ?

The old constitution stated that "Team Captains" (there wasn't any Managers then) may award up to 5 Wildcard places. There was no mention as to whether they were awarded pre or post trials. Over the past few seasons this has been amended to how it's written now.

Barney · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

I propose 8 Ball be elected onto the committee as an ordinary member. If there is funny business going on he's the man to sort it out, if there's not he's the one who would most benefit finding out.

Milhouse · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

The Chin wrote:

The whole wild card situation is no different to that the Governing body use for the England Trial selection. You can either QUALIFY for England trials by finishing in the top 10 in the region, OR you can be given a WILD CARD by your county. YES YOU HEARD IT RIGHT!!...... you can get a WILD CARD to the England Trials even if you DON'T QUALIFY through the region. I can't wait until Oxfordshire pick that one!!!!

This is a different situation, this is a wildcard for TRIALS, not the team !!!

I vote we give it to Tom Weeks

After his performance last night ?? losing to a bar billiard player! On the subject, Ray would like to apply for a wildcard after his 2-0 win over Tom in last nights match, what are the chances ?

pots · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

cant believe it tom lost to the worst player in the tandem team i definitely should be up for a wild card

The Chin · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

I thought you would mention that Millhouse!! You are so predictable!

Worst player in the Tandem team??? We were playing Cowley Community Centre!!

So the county team is only to be made up of players with 100% record in pool........ good luck!

You didn't have much to say on the subject to his face though Mark, did you!! And come to mention it, you didn't take any of your points up with Kev face to face either........... what is wrong, lost your bottle??

Milhouse · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

The Chin wrote:

I thought you would mention that Millhouse!! You are so predictable! Worst player in the Tandem team??? We were playing Cowley Community Centre!! So the county team is only to be made up of players with 100% record in pool........ good luck! You didn't have much to say on the subject to his face though Mark, did you!! And come to mention it, you didn't take any of your points up with Kev face to face either........... what is wrong, lost your bottle??

Maybe if i didn't have to rush off to watch Ray play a game of Bar Billiards, I would have spoken to Kev about it. But i also have respect and didn't want to cause any arguments as you were playing in an important match!

The Chin · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

Respect appreciated.

Beefy · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

The Chin wrote:

I thought you would mention that Millhouse!! You are so predictable! Worst player in the Tandem team??? We were playing Cowley Community Centre!!

I don't think ray would agree with this comment !

Secondly he plays more for the Tandem than anywhere else...........

The Chin · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

Which part wouldn't he agree with??

The fact that we were playing Cowley Community Centre?

OR The fact that I disagreed with "Pots" on him being the worst player in the Tandem Team?

Beefy · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

The Chin wrote:

Which part wouldn't he agree with?? The fact that we were playing Cowley Community Centre? OR The fact that I disagreed with "Pots" on him being the worst player in the Tandem Team?

Wriggling out of the original posting then ?

Now saying you disagree with Pots are you implying Pots reckons he the worst ?

I don't think Pots would sday that either !

pots · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

NO I DONT THINK RAY IS THE WORST PLAYER AT THE TANDEM, HES NOT A BAD PLAYER AFTER ALL I TAKE IT ALL BACK BEEFY IS THE WORST OR IS IT HULIO OR MILLHOUSE DONT TAKE IT TO HEART LADS

The Chin · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

pots wrote:

cant believe it tom lost to the worst player in the tandem team i definitely should be up for a wild card

Beefy, I am not wriggling out of anything.

I said " Worst player in the Tandem Team??.." Meaning, I can think of a few worse than Ray after his performance against Tom the other week.

You can work it out I am sure..

-- Edited by The Chin at 13:43, 2006-04-22

Milhouse · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

pots wrote:

NO I DONT THINK RAY IS THE WORST PLAYER AT THE TANDEM, HES NOT A BAD PLAYER AFTER ALL I TAKE IT ALL BACK BEEFY IS THE WORST OR IS IT HULIO OR MILLHOUSE DONT TAKE IT TO HEART LADS

You say this knowing Sid is in our team on a Sunday .......... ???

8ball · Senior Poster (Nominates their colour)

It`s now been 6 weeks since the trials, this topic was started 4 weeks ago so the infamous wildcard was granted appox 5 weeks ago. About 3 weeks ago it was said a copy of the minutes from the "meeting" involving the wild card would be posted but as yet they none have appeared. Could it be that some people hoped it had all gone away ?

Beefy · Ultimate Poster (Breaks off in decider)

8 Ball you ever been a union rep ? You would make a good job of it.......

The Chin · Senior Poster (Pots off the break)

Gone away?? I hope not, this has been the best topic on this forum for ages, possibley ever!!

Such a laugh.

Centenary Bhoy · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

Well Well interesting topic this one, lets go back a couple of years or so when i trialled and failed, even though that current season i was in the top 10 of the best league in Oxford, i was also in the top 10 the following season, so i would say i had a hic-up at the trials, i'll be honest and say that i underestimated my opponents that day thinking i would qualify, although no one stood out whom i played won or lost against.

So forward on a couple of years and Tom Weeks attends the trials and a person who i rate as a quality player, but he fails as well, BUT he is offered a wildcard, i would of agreed if he could not attend trials because of work, bereavement or similar reasons then i would sanction a wildcard for him, but he failed like me and that should of been it for another year, not sure how Tom got on before & after trials in the Thursday league, but rules are rules, he had his chance as i did and failed. A clear case of 'one rule for one, one for another'........as i'd always thought.

So there were many 'B' team players the year i trialled that were retained on there previous seasons exploits reaching the required amount of points to be kept on, some will alway be 'B' team players, As well as 'Committee' & 'Capt' players who qualify to play because.......er there on the committee of some league & some who want to be Capt, Millhouse you told me that night in the Tandem you were upset because.....was it JFK had taken the captaincy from you? Then when Ash walked in you disapeared you obviously did not want to be seen talking to me. Also there was the 'Joint Managers' which i'd say qualifies 2 to select themselves!

And since Marcus has resigned as joint manager of the County, not sure what the reasons were, cant be bothered to trawl through posts to find out.

So Milhouse good topic you started here. maybe you may have an answer why i was not offered a wildcard?

-- Edited by Centenary Bhoy at 23:37, 2006-08-17

Milhouse · Ultimate Poster (2-0 up in a best of 7)

Centenary Bhoy wrote:

So Milhouse good topic you started here. maybe you may have an answer why i was not offered a wildcard?

No idea, i am no longer part of the committee. I do not agree with post trial wildcards as they never work, especially when this particular one chooses to play EPA county over OCPF county..........

Centenary Bhoy · Regular Poster (Wins the toss)

Milhouse wrote:

No idea, i am no longer part of the committee. I do not agree with post trial wildcards as they never work, especially when this particular one chooses to play EPA county over OCPF county..........

But you were then in the time in question?!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was it a committee decision? or joint managers at the time? Or just the 'strict' regime at the time in that ''i failed the trial & your out'' What changed the decision making regards Tom Weeks then? or is it plainly ''if your face fits?'' hey 8ball?