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Unfortunately, as i'm off to Australia for a month, it'll have to be after xmas, though we can get together before then to sort out the details.

 




when are you away so I can organise cover for Mondays ?

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Lets arrange a league v league at least Malc won't feel left out when we pip them to the post of winning the league.


 


After xmas is better, although I would say a max of 4 people from each team 10 matches of 3 frames both away and at home, we could say 10 people play away and then it must be 10 different players that play at home, that way more of the league get involved



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Two tournaments   LOL its taken 2 years to try and arrange one.  


That's because you and Abingdon's very own"Starsky and Hutch" Milhouse and Beefy were sorting it out. 


So my “named” 7 CAN’T be beaten then 


 


So you want your team from all 4 Oxford leagues. Not sure those players would have you in it as you're getting old






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Lets arrange a league v league at least Malc won't feel left out when we pip them to the post of winning the league.


 


After xmas is better, although I would say a max of 4 people from each team 10 matches of 3 frames both away and at home, we could say 10 people play away and then it must be 10 different players that play at home, that way more of the league get involved




I'm up for that as long as we stickto the qualification criteria. Do you want to use 20 players so Malc will get a game. 20th in the league, how the mighty have fallen  (Damn, i'll have to pick Hazel and Jimmy now)

-- Edited by MING at 19:33, 2006-10-27

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Beefy wrote:




MING wrote:


when are you away so I can organise cover for Mondays ?






Cover for me?


Is Earl the Pearl available from 20th Nov to 31st Dec?



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MING wrote:



Beefy wrote:




MING wrote:


when are you away so I can organise cover for Mondays ?







Don't know I'll look him up while I'm in the states from the 14th Nov for 2 weeks.



Cover for me?


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why are people trying to turn this into a sunday night thing ? the rules are simple if you live in Abingdon you play for Abingdon and likewise for Oxford.

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It is not that simple, some people living in Oxford play for Abingdon and vice versa.


 


..........And Ming of course Malc would make the team, he would have played enough games, having to have played 50% of the league games is tough though, when people have 10 or 12 players signed on some of them only get a couple of games a season, I know that we are in that position this season, in fact I would probably not qualify to play.


 


Do you notice how Matthew Challen never made Malcolm's line up though, I think that would be a mistake, and I have chose my away captain and my home captain already!!!



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lady 1980 im afraid you have not read the thread title properly coz it does not say anything about sunday night pool league representative challenge. besides oxford sun league is one of the smaller oxford leagues and is not a fair representation of oxfords finest.

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lady 1980 im afraid you have not read the thread title properly coz it does not say anything about sunday night pool league representative challenge. besides oxford sun league is one of the smaller oxford leagues and is not a fair representation of oxfords finest.



Yeah, as far as I'm aware this thread was for a challenge match between players who live in Abingdon and Oxford. Jimmy sorting out the Abingdon team and Chirpy and myself the Oxford one.

There was talk of a Sunday leagues match on here some time ago, which never come to pass, and if you want to do that then fine, but it's a different match to the one we'll be arranging.

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It is not that simple, some people living in Oxford play for Abingdon and vice versa.


..............And Ming of course Malc would make the team, he would have played enough games, having to have played 50% of the league games is tough though, when people have 10 or 12 players signed on some of them only get a couple of games a season, I know that we are in that position this season, in fact I would probably not qualify to play.






The problem with having no qualifying mark is that teams with so many players signed on (Osney 18) may pick the likes of Jimmy Miller, Isty etc before those players who play week in week out, which is why i suggested that we limit it to 2 players per team. Most extra players like Jimmy and Isty are ony signed on for comps etc. Why do teams need to sign on 12+ players when each fixture only consists of 5 best of 3 matches. Most teams in Abingdon only have 8 or 9 players signed on and currently we play 12 single frame matches


On the point that you might not qualify with a 50% qualifying mark would suggest that there are at least 5 players in front of you in the pecking order at the Crown House. Therefore limiting things to 4 players from any one team would make it unlikely that you'd be selected if you weren't the captain.


My only concern is that teams will be made up of players who don't, generally speaking, play regularly in the relevant league, therefore trampling over the players who turn out week in week out, afterall we're not playing for £1,000,000



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Ok Ming looks like we are blocking up their thread, you will have to email me at:


 


ashleylarter@ntlworld.com


 


We can sort it out from there.



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why are people trying to turn this into a sunday night thing ? the rules are simple if you live in Abingdon you play for Abingdon and likewise for Oxford.



Quite right Ash, but the only problem with that is, is that Oxford have a lot more players to pick from.


A bit like England (pop: 60,000,000+) V Northern Ireland (pop: 1,500,000) at football, obviously an easy win for England


 Ummm Now what was the score last time ? Goal 







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Do you notice how Matthew Challen never made Malcolm's line up though, I think that would be a mistake, and I have chose my away captain and my home captain already!!!


LOLAnd I just  Sneaky wonder who they are ?, (wouldn’t be Crown House Club players would it ) and surprise me with YOUR home venue choice.Thinking

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Colours or Rileys for home game, one of them maybe but the other was Osney, I think that I mught just change my mind now!!!

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afterall we're not playing for £1,000,000



 TearyDam not going then!! .................... if I was LUCKY enough to be picked!!  Doofus



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Colours or Rileys for home game, one of them maybe but the other was Osney, I think that I mught just change my mind now!!!



The OTHER I thought there was only ONE HOME game ????



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I meant one of the captains was from the Osney the other I have not made my mind up, there is lots of talent in Oxford, that was the idea of playing 10 different people at home than away, that way we get to show Abingdon what we are really made of!!!

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 I See


      If I am one of the LUCKY ones to get picked, please remember  Movers that I don’t travel very well  As Far As I Remember    lol   



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 I See


      If I am one of the LUCKY ones to get picked, please remember  Movers that I don’t travel very well  As Far As I Remember    lol   




what would be your oxford side then

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I have chose my away captain and my home captain already!!!






Lets' play guess the captain's


I Think Home captain M Keady


And Away Captain Me 


                                       



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what would be your oxford side then



      For the Sunday team, tonight’s OSNEY ARMS selected team.  Laughing My Head Off



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      For the Sunday team, tonight’s OSNEY ARMS selected team.  Laughing My Head Off





They are??????


Malcolm
Jamey
Kieran Doherty
Mark Cooper
Tom Wiliams


????????? Team like that should slaughter the Black Boy on paper!!!!!!!!



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      For the Sunday team, tonight’s OSNEY ARMS selected team.  Laughing My Head Off





They are??????


Malcolm          0/2
Jamey            0/1
Kieran Doherty 2/2
Mark Cooper    0/2
Tom Wiliams    1/2


????????? Team like that should slaughter the Black Boy on paper!!!!!!!!





       Hmm 2 But aren’t they 10 out of 10 after the first two games and lead the section ?, with us on only 3 points and just one place off of the bottom.


      I wouldn’t put us as anywhere near favorites for this match, were just hoping that we can make a bit of a game of it this evening.I Keep Wishing



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LADY_1980 wrote:



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      For the Sunday team, tonight’s OSNEY ARMS selected team.  Laughing My Head Off





They are??????


Malcolm
Jamey
Kieran Doherty
Mark Cooper
Tom Wiliams


????????? Team like that should slaughter the Black Boy on paper!!!!!!!!






A little birdie makes me think otherwise and this WAS NOT the five that played last night ? Am I right......


Why is there no result on here yet did it go pearshaped again for the Osney - I would not write the Black Boy side off Lady if its a mixture of their 2 Thursday teams they could field a strong line up, well who played who then ?



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The problem with having no qualifying mark is that teams with so many players signed on (Osney 18) 



This must be a new record surely and against the spirit of any league in my opinion ! I thought you now HAD TO PLAY to enter the comps in the Sunday league which came in the YEAR AFTER Milhouse and I reached the 2 man team final a couple of seasons ago. Neither of us playing for that team other than as reserves and I seem to remember I played one game winning the match against Cowley centre 3-2 in the decider, which at the end of the Season meant the difference between Colours winning (who I played for) and the Osney winning as there was one point in it at the end.


Have the rules beeen changed back again and so quickly at that, watch out will be interesting to see if REGULAR players win the competitions and if not will it be changed back yet again.



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Beefy, it was changed this year, so now you only have to be signed on for a team, hence why Isty can play in the competitions from the Crown House, we changed this to try and bring more people into the league, make the competitions bigger and better.

Osney score is on the sunday page

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In my opinion, sunday league is the weakest and least serious of all the oxford leagues. so there are arguments for letting anybody enter the comps to strenghen them and add a bit of prestige to the titles.


However, because its a weaker league it all so gives players who would not stand a chance in some of the other leagues a decent chance to do well and get to the later rounds.


By allowing anybody to enter (and that is essentially what has happened) you take away the chance for actual league players to do well. Take the approximatelly 10-12 non playing Osney players, how many of those would care if they got to the Quarters or the Semis?


Where as it would be a real achievement for people who play in most of the other teams in the league to reach the latter stages of the comps.


Yes, more players = better trophies. The people who win the trophies year on year already have plenty of fancy trophies. Why do we need to give them anymore?


I'm sure people from teams outside the main pool loop, don't realise what has happened this year in terms of people signing on just to play in the comps. If asked they probably wouldn't care. But they may think twice about entering the comps next year.


So instead of adding prestige to comps, if people did decide not to waste their 2-8 pounds next year, then you have basically ruined the sunday leagues competitions. i'm sure it won't come to that and maybe i'm being a little cynical, but in my opinion sunday league comps should be for sunday league players.



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Beefy, it was changed this year, so now you only have to be signed on for a team, hence why Isty can play in the competitions from the Crown House, we changed this to try and bring more people into the league, make the competitions bigger and better.

Osney score is on the sunday page




Bigger Yes I would agree relaxing this rule will acheive this but better that is questionable. Allowing people to play without playing might bring better players into a comp but in my opinion the Sunday Champions should play in the league after all the competitions are there for the league players to try and win.


"Sunday Singles Champion" is a bit of a farse if they do not play in that league you might as well call it the Oxford Open singles Championship in that case.


Better, Yes I agree to a certain point here too, but go very careful because the players who enter the league to play in the league are the bulk of the players parting with £2 for example which pays for the Trophy and possible prize money if there is any for the competitions. 


What happens when the lesser players get pissed off playing people who do not care about the league and are only interested in taking its Competition Trophies and Money ?


Simple the competition shrinks becuase the bread and butter money starts to dry up becuase people lose interest.


You end up then with the so called players you want in to texpand it actually have the opposite effect and killing it off over the coming season. I think the balance and commitment required surely only comes from players HAVING to play a certain number of league games in order for them to play in that leagues competitions.


Oxford has run many competitions with much larger prize money than any league is putting up but what happens is these so called top players don't come for what ever reason ????? which is a shame for the competition in the end and ultimately the competitions stop becuase they are not supported.


I pose you this question " What is better for any league, a smaller competition with top players in it or a larger competition with not so many top players in it becuase of league restrictions imposed on qualification ? "


The first gives you a great level of competition but the second means more entry fees, better trophies and prize money for those who support the league and take it seriously.



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In my opinion, sunday league is the weakest and least serious of all the oxford leagues. so there are arguments for letting anybody enter the comps to strenghen them and add a bit of prestige to the titles.


However, because its a weaker league it all so gives players who would not stand a chance in some of the other leagues a decent chance to do well and get to the later rounds.


By allowing anybody to enter (and that is essentially what has happened) you take away the chance for actual league players to do well. Take the approximatelly 10-12 non playing Osney players, how many of those would care if they got to the Quarters or the Semis?


Where as it would be a real achievement for people who play in most of the other teams in the league to reach the latter stages of the comps.


Yes, more players = better trophies. The people who win the trophies year on year already have plenty of fancy trophies. Why do we need to give them anymore?


I'm sure people from teams outside the main pool loop, don't realise what has happened this year in terms of people signing on just to play in the comps. If asked they probably wouldn't care. But they may think twice about entering the comps next year.


So instead of adding prestige to comps, if people did decide not to waste their 2-8 pounds next year, then you have basically ruined the sunday leagues competitions. i'm sure it won't come to that and maybe i'm being a little cynical, but in my opinion sunday league comps should be for sunday league players.




I must have been typing my response at the same time as Gods and Mine are pretty much point for point the same !

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